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MAINJAFAD 10th Jul 2022 01:07


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11259038)
I visited the Royal Air Force Air Defence Radar Museum at Neatishead last month and found it very interesting indeed. There were presentations made during the visit by operators who had served there and explained the workings as well as a few anecdotes. One of these concerned a Soviet intelligence-gathering trawler off NW Scotland which was selected for a "roasting" for some reason. The power was turned right up and "aimed" at this ship and, supposedly, burnt out all electronic equipment. This rather puzzled me because AFAIK radar is line-of-sight and there are certainly a good few hills between low-lying Neatishead and the coast of NW Scotland and also wouldn't all this immense electronic power be destroying a swathe of electronic equipment across Britain. I asked the presenters about this and got no coherent answer.

Can anyone here tell me if this was true and/or possible, or simply a canteen story spun to anybody not in the know to amuse/impress them ?

Could have been Benbecula, but wouldn't have been the Type 92. Type 89 height finder was based there with a Type 88 Search radar.up to the late 1980's (The former AD-11 / AD-12 radars used for Thunderbird II SAM tactical control). Type 89 could be aimed at things and transmit without the thing nodding.

chevvron 10th Jul 2022 12:12


Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 11259072)
Could have been Benbecula, but wouldn't have been the Type 92. Type 89 height finder was based there with a Type 88 Search radar.up to the late 1980's (The former AD-11 / AD-12 radars used for Thunderbird II SAM tactical control). Type 89 could be aimed at things and transmit without the thing nodding.

I visited Benbecula in 1977 in an aircraft from RAE Farnborough. Why we went there I don't know (possibly something to do with the rocket range) but I did see what I believe to have been the mobile T88 on the north side of the airfield but I don't recall the height finder radar..

Finningley Boy 10th Jul 2022 19:40

East Anglia used to bristle with GCI stations, all fully manned and self-contained, some now RRHs. Trimingham, Bawdsey, Wartling, Neatishead and some I'm sure I can't recall. I spent a few nights in Bawdsey Manor back in Feb 1987, or there abouts, during an exercise. The old R3 housed the SADOC (Standby Air Defence Operations Centre),

FB

MAINJAFAD 10th Jul 2022 20:57


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11259235)
I visited Benbecula in 1977 in an aircraft from RAE Farnborough. Why we went there I don't know (possibly something to do with the rocket range) but I did see what I believe to have been the mobile T88 on the north side of the airfield but I don't recall the height finder radar..

There was a T89 there, confirmed by I guy I know who served there. I would have been very surprised if there hadn't been.

Myrtle Meads 11th Jul 2022 07:30

While stationed at RAF Boulmer in March 1962 I was sent on detachment to RAF Bawdsey to work with Marconi on the trials of the Type84 before the RAF took it over.

chevvron 11th Jul 2022 15:20


Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 11258948)
Lindholme got a remote picture from Pattrington via a Relay in North Lincolnshire (most likely at Kirton in Lindsey). North Coates got it direct. from Pattrington.

When I was at Lindholme in '73, the microwave link operated from Staxton Wold's T84 or 85 via a relay north of the Humber then to Elsham Wold and Lindholme; this was in mid '73 and prior to that the Patrington T80 was routed via Elsham Wold too.

MAINJAFAD 11th Jul 2022 15:59


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11259807)
When I was at Lindholme in '73, the microwave link operated from Staxton Wold's T84 or 85 via a relay north of the Humber then to Elsham Wold and Lindholme; this was in mid '73 and prior to that the Patrington T80 was routed possibly via Elsham Wold too.

I only knew the routing's of the Links from the SAM Wing HQ's F540's because they did the maintenance on them. 21 Wing HQ never recorded the location of their Relays. There was a map showing the locations of the link relays on one of North Coates Trials Wing documents, but it didn't name any of the sites on the map, thus I knew there was a relay located in that neck of the woods.

MPN11 11th Jul 2022 18:40

Eastern Radar, 70-73 and 76-79 [about 7 years] and never knew the detail of how we got the picture. Just glad it was there when we needed it! Grateful to the engineers and clever people! :ok:

chevvron 12th Jul 2022 18:49


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11259376)
East Anglia used to bristle with GCI stations, all fully manned and self-contained, some now RRHs. Trimingham, Bawdsey, Wartling, Neatishead and some I'm sure I can't recall. I spent a few nights in Bawdsey Manor back in Feb 1987, or there abouts, during an exercise. The old R3 housed the SADOC (Standby Air Defence Operations Centre),

FB

You missed Ash which was used by NATS for ATC purposes as well as for air defence.

ORAC 13th Jul 2022 07:28

Ash was, of course, refurbished as a IUKADGE bunker, as the standby southern SOC, and used as the OCU.

Never used operationally for anything, else then sold off afterwards. Totally hardening the bunker and installing the kit must have cost billions - so the company which bought it as a hardened data storage site got a real bargain.

I can vaguely remember attending the course, canít remember where we were accommodated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ash

Wensleydale 13th Jul 2022 07:46


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11260666)
Ash was, of course, refurbished as a IUKADGE bunker, as the standby southern SOC, and used as the OCU.

Never used operationally for anything, else then sold off afterwards. Totally hardening the bunker and installing the kit must have cost billions - so the company which bought it as a hardened data storage site got a real bargain.

I can vaguely remember attending the course, canít remember where we were accommodated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ash

Was it at Bentley Priory? Back in the mid 80s I was working on the Nimrod AEW project with frequent weekly deployments to the GEC factory at Radlett. We were accommodated at Bentley, but had to move out because of an influx of ground environment types who were posted in for Ash. Sadly this meant that we had to transfer to a nice cheap B&B in St Albans together with London rate ones.....

chevvron 13th Jul 2022 08:12


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11260666)
Ash was, of course, refurbished as a IUKADGE bunker, as the standby southern SOC, and used as the OCU.

Never used operationally for anything, else then sold off afterwards. Totally hardening the bunker and installing the kit must have cost billions - so the company which bought it as a hardened data storage site got a real bargain.

I can vaguely remember attending the course, can’t remember where we were accommodated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Ash

I did easter ATC camp at Manston in 1988 and there was a guy living in the mess there who said he was 're-opening' Ash.
NATS (or rather NATCS) were using the radar feeding it to West Drayton during the period I was there '69 to '72 as a remote feed for traffic east-west along the airway between Brussels/Amsterdam and London.

chevvron 13th Jul 2022 16:40


Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD (Post 11259400)
There was a T89 there, confirmed by I guy I know who served there. I would have been very surprised if there hadn't been.

I don't doubt it; I'm only an ATC man and don't know too much about Air Defence radar systems; my only experience of height finders was with the T82 at Lindholme which of course had a built in height finding capability.

WB627 13th Jul 2022 16:52


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11260666)
I can vaguely remember attending the course, canít remember where we were accommodated.

RAF Manston I suspect. If so was it after about 1989 when the new Officers Mess was opened?


ORAC 13th Jul 2022 18:04

Posted to Neatishead from Boulmer in Oct 91, so would have done the OCU middle of that year prior to arrival.

chevvron 13th Jul 2022 21:27


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 11260995)
RAF Manston I suspect. If so was it after about 1989 when the new Officers Mess was opened?

No as I said, there was a guy in the mess at Manston in 1988 who said he was working at Ash but the mess was very small; I was given a bungalow across the road to sleep in..

WB627 13th Jul 2022 22:15


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11261155)
No as I said, there was a guy in the mess at Manston in 1988 who said he was working at Ash but the mess was very small; I was given a bungalow across the road to sleep in..

That would have been before the new Mess was built; I joined Costain in 1988 and one of my projects as Area Planning Manager, was the new Mess which was under construction. The old Officers Mess was originally the Station Commanders residence and would have been quite small by comparison to an operational station. Between 1970 and 1975 I used to enjoy Sunday Lunch in the Mess with my Dad, who was a pilot with 1 AEF from it's formation in 1958 at Biggin Hill and at Manston from 1963. Sadly, when the new mess was opened, the old one was demolished, such a shame, it was such a wonderful old building.

Sorry bit of thread drift there.


radar101 15th Jul 2022 17:33

I did the IUKADGE Foundation Course at Ash in September 1991 - we were all in the new Mess at Manston.


Tartiflette Fan 15th Jul 2022 21:21


Originally Posted by Myrtle Meads (Post 11259563)
While stationed at RAF Boulmer in March 1962 I was sent on detachment to RAF Bawdsey to work with Marconi on the trials of the Type84 before the RAF took it over.

Gosh. He must have been knocking on a bit then. Was he still up for going out for a beer after work ?

Myrtle Meads 16th Jul 2022 08:09

Yes he was, and very good company!


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