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OldFairy HeHimTiger 26th Jul 2022 10:21


Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz (Post 11246204)
Creases? Like, get with it daddy-o. They are soooo 20th century.

My legs don't have creases, and they bend in 2 places, so it's nice if my trousers do also.

Ironing creases was introduced in napoleonic times to kill lice. This was replaced by crab-fat, so infact creases are soon 19th century!

NutLoose 26th Jul 2022 16:56

They should also introduce patent leather shoes and bin the bulling of shoes.

cheekychimp 26th Jul 2022 17:09


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11268167)
They should also introduce patent leather shoes and bin the bulling of shoes.

and the wearing of hats, serves no purpose unless part of PPE. I'd go further, but the "in my day" brigade may have multiple seizures.

NutLoose 26th Jul 2022 17:37

I would also issue a two tone uniform, say black trousers and normal colour ( No1 or whatever number it is these days ) jackets, so that way you can change half of the uniform without having to bin it all.

Corporal Clott 26th Jul 2022 18:02


Originally Posted by cheekychimp (Post 11268182)
and the wearing of hats, serves no purpose unless part of PPE. I'd go further, but the "in my day" brigade may have multiple seizures.

The hat is required to wear a badge with the Sovereign’s Crown (in our case Her Majesty The Queen). When serving personnel salute an officer, they are acknowledging Her Majesty the Queen as Head of State and saluting the rank the officer holds (the Queen's commission) rather than the individual themselves. When an officer returns a salute, it is done so on behalf of the Queen.

So it most definitely serves a purpose unless you want that badge tattooed on your forehead or pinned on it - which might be a bit messy or painful…:}

langleybaston 26th Jul 2022 18:28


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11268167)
They should also introduce patent leather shoes and bin the bulling of shoes.

I say old thing!
How am I to pass my Sunday late morning, sniffing the roast, drinking a pint, sharpening the kitchen knives and bulling all the shoes?

MPN11 26th Jul 2022 18:29

Thank you, Cpl Clott! Glad someone remembers what it’s all about.

downsizer 26th Jul 2022 18:35


Originally Posted by cheekychimp (Post 11268182)
and the wearing of hats, serves no purpose unless part of PPE. I'd go further, but the "in my day" brigade may have multiple seizures.

Agreed, pointless wearing a hat these days, that can get in the bin.

The comments in this thread make me laugh as well.....





melmothtw 26th Jul 2022 18:49


Originally Posted by Corporal Clott (Post 11268207)
The hat is required to wear a badge with the Sovereign’s Crown (in our case Her Majesty The Queen). When serving personnel salute an officer, they are acknowledging Her Majesty the Queen as Head of State and saluting the rank the officer holds (the Queen's commission) rather than the individual themselves. When an officer returns a salute, it is done so on behalf of the Queen.

So it most definitely serves a purpose unless you want that badge tattooed on your forehead or pinned on it - which might be a bit messy or painful…:}

Your explanation just shows it serves no purpose, other than one you've imagined for it.

cheekychimp 26th Jul 2022 18:52


Originally Posted by Corporal Clott (Post 11268207)
The hat is required to wear a badge with the Sovereign’s Crown (in our case Her Majesty The Queen). When serving personnel salute an officer, they are acknowledging Her Majesty the Queen as Head of State and saluting the rank the officer holds (the Queen's commission) rather than the individual themselves. When an officer returns a salute, it is done so on behalf of the Queen.

So it most definitely serves a purpose unless you want that badge tattooed on your forehead or pinned on it - which might be a bit messy or painful…:}

I know all that, I used to be a DI on IOT. A simple "Good morning Sir/Ma'am" serves the same purpose, acknowledges the commission and is courteous without being over the top. If we had been formed as an entirely new service from scratch, not from the RN and Army, there'd be none of this nonsense. We just inherited a load of their traditions, I still fail to see how performing 18th century battle drills in front of CHOM is relevant or traditional to a modern Air force.

MPN11 26th Jul 2022 18:57

OK, let’s stop all Parades, and marching, and just wander around like civvies … while being polite to the tracksuit wearing managers. Would save a lot of time and effort … and shoe cleaning. I wonder where that would end up?

downsizer 26th Jul 2022 18:58


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11268243)
OK, let’s stop all Parades, and marching, and just wander around like civvies … while being polite to the tracksuit wearing managers. Woukd save a lot of time and effort. I wonder where that would end up?

Old timers would explode, currently serving would probably keep on with the job as they do now?

People might stay in rather than leave to be treated like an adult?

NutLoose 26th Jul 2022 19:02

One the link about SHQ Honington, isn’t this just superb.


MPN11 26th Jul 2022 19:03


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11268244)
Old timers would explode, currently serving would probably keep on with the job as they do now?

People might stay in rather than leave to be treated like an adult?

So civilianise everything that Service life is about? Hmm, a lot of that has happened already. I just wonder how warfighting discipline would stand up in that environment?

Anyway, not my war. Back to my armchair and brandy. Enjoy the future.

cheekychimp 26th Jul 2022 19:04


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11268243)
OK, let’s stop all Parades, and marching, and just wander around like civvies … while being polite to the tracksuit wearing managers. Would save a lot of time and effort … and shoe cleaning. I wonder where that would end up?

When was the last time you saw anyone marching round camp? It's not "Get some in" everyone just walks round like normal people. As for parades, why do we have to do it the Army way? Someone will be along in a minute saying drill is the foundation of discipline, it's not, doing what you're told is.

NutLoose 26th Jul 2022 19:05


Originally Posted by cheekychimp (Post 11268242)
I know all that, I used to be a DI on IOT. A simple "Good morning Sir/Ma'am" serves the same purpose, acknowledges the commission and is courteous without being over the top. If we had been formed as an entirely new service from scratch, not from the RN and Army, there'd be none of this nonsense. We just inherited a load of their traditions, I still fail to see how performing 18th century battle drills in front of CHOM is relevant or traditional to a modern Air force.

You could of course also simply add the badge to the uniform and bin the hat.

WB627 26th Jul 2022 19:09


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 11247480)

She could definitely give Section Office Harvey a run for her money ;)


Timelord 26th Jul 2022 19:57

Interesting article in The Times this evening about how a new Chief Constable has turned round the failing Greater Manchester Police by a “ back to basics” approach including smarter uniforms, reinstating a badge all can take pride in and an emphasis on standards of dress and appearance. Apparently it has resulted in better morale, more convictions, less crime and greater public support. Who knew!

Less Hair 27th Jul 2022 08:09

It is a basic error to mix up fashion and uniforms. Fashion uniforms don't age well. Uniforms are non-fashion, they must fit to everybody, the small the fat, the non-models. Uniforms can still be made elegant, made to impress, made from good materials that are best for daily use, not from cheapo stinking plastic, and made to last.
Mostly cheap stuff is used and this gets hidden behind fancy fashion. Where I live all the mail people are dressed like olympic sprinters from Florida instead of something comfortable to work in all weather day in day out.
And who mounts flags like this?

flyingorthopod 27th Jul 2022 10:09


Originally Posted by cheekychimp (Post 11268242)
I know all that, I used to be a DI on IOT. A simple "Good morning Sir/Ma'am" serves the same purpose, acknowledges the commission and is courteous without being over the top. If we had been formed as an entirely new service from scratch, not from the RN and Army, there'd be none of this nonsense. We just inherited a load of their traditions, I still fail to see how performing 18th century battle drills in front of CHOM is relevant or traditional to a modern Air force.

Routine wearing of hats and saluting should be binned.

I do think the principles of drill and saluting should be kept for ceremonial purposes as I view that as part of our identity and unique character but there's no need for them to be part of everyday life for the principles to remain part of our culture.


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