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LOONRAT 8th Jun 2022 19:36

Red arrows confusing display team make up
 
It seems the team are suffering an Annus horribilis this season. Transparency and truth seem to be at odds over the team now flying a seven ship full display formation as the official RAF website still shows 9 display pilots. I suspect this has not been changed otherwise it would identify the 2 team members who have moved on to 'New Duties'. Having led 2 RAF display teams and 2 civilian display teams and have undertaken over 2000 displays worldwide I know at first hand the extreme pressures placed on all display participants. I wish the team the best and look forward to seeing them display in their new format. Have a safe 2022

KPax 8th Jun 2022 21:13

Cosford Airshow 12th June.

xray one 8th Jun 2022 22:11

https://www.raf.mod.uk/display-teams...rows/the-team/

awair 9th Jun 2022 00:26


Originally Posted by xray one (Post 11242982)

I think you broke it???

NutLoose 9th Jun 2022 00:43

He had it as HTTPS which is a secure link, removing the S fixes it.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/display-teams/...rows/the-team/


Wasn’t there 9 on the Jubilee Flypast? I suppose they must have borrowed a couple pilots as it was a straight forward flat display.

LOONRAT 9th Jun 2022 08:14

UPDATED RED ARROWS WEBSITE
 
Glad to see website updated to show the 7 display pilots but obviously done in a rush as the text for the team leader still says he leads 9 aircraft display team and display sequences still show 9 aircraft in the team. I am sure someone will attend to this and set the record straight. 10 aircraft flypast at Cranwell with me tucked in behind the leader. Happy Days.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a9c6e0bba9.jpg

Background Noise 9th Jun 2022 08:48


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11243042)
Wasn’t there 9 on the Jubilee Flypast? I suppose they must have borrowed a couple pilots as it was a straight forward flat display.

That was stated from the outset -

For national flypast events, it is intended that the team will consist of all nine aircraft, with experienced RAFAT pilots completing the formation.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...rafat-in-2022/

DuncanDoenitz 9th Jun 2022 09:50

Mrs DD was PRO for a well known RAF Display Team in the noughties; averaged several newsworthy items on the Team's website every week. I notice that the BBMF's latest news item is a charity Dakota-pull from November 2021.

Appalling that with all the money still being poured in to airworthiness, crewing, fuel and so forth of these teams, who's raison d'etre is publicity, that the actual publicity-machine is so broken.

stewyb 9th Jun 2022 09:57

7 ship will become the norm moving forward, cost cuts and all that!

RAF_Techie101 9th Jun 2022 16:34


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11243243)
7 ship will become the norm moving forward, cost cuts and all that!

“Introducing the 2030 Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team, the Red Arrow!”

57mm 9th Jun 2022 17:09

Odd to see one of the team has been in it for 5 years.

sandiego89 9th Jun 2022 20:34


Originally Posted by LOONRAT (Post 11243196)
Glad to see website updated to show the 7 display pilots but obviously done in a rush as the text for the team leader still says he leads 9 aircraft display team and display sequences still show 9 aircraft in the team. I am sure someone will attend to this and set the record straight. 10 aircraft flypast at Cranwell with me tucked in behind the leader. Happy Days.


You just cant drop that great picture on us rat without the story! When was that pic taken? Did you fly both the Gnat an Hawk on team display? Civy Gant painted up?

Il Duce 9th Jun 2022 21:23

"Red Arrows confusing display team make up"???? The Red Arrows wear make up?!! Goodness me, sign of the times, I suppose.

Just This Once... 9th Jun 2022 21:34


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 11243477)
Odd to see one of the team has been in it for 5 years.

I think Monty is still there and he must have had 16 years+ away from the frontline flying Hawks, with a short break for Aussie staff college. He has spent around a decade in the Reds in that time, so it really has been a flying club for him and I think his current stint as OC RAFAT has been extended too.

Who knew the Reds could be a dedicated career.

6foottanker 9th Jun 2022 21:44

https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/team1.htm

Scroll down for both the original team members and the reason Bondy’s back again.

bonajet 10th Jun 2022 00:35

That explains the recovery to a full nine but doesn’t explain why two more pilots have left, dropping the team to a 7.

Asturias56 10th Jun 2022 09:52

Costs? Everything else is downsized

Davef68 10th Jun 2022 12:47


Originally Posted by bonajet (Post 11243669)
That explains the recovery to a full nine but doesn’t explain why two more pilots have left, dropping the team to a 7.

The RAF are playing that one close to their chests (rightly IMO). The official reason is 'moved to other roles within the RAF'. We've all seen the press coverage . The RAF has a duty of care and confidentiality to those who serve, so unless something emerges like a court martial it's not fair to those who have left the team to speculate.

teej013 12th Jun 2022 15:10

I watched the Reds at Teesside yesterday, all in all I think that they probably rescued the day there.
They arrived and landed, Displayed then landed, then departed again. Three displays for the price of one.
The display was good and tight dispite low cloud an a high wind across the runway, and the groungcrew mingled with the attending crowd, providing photo opps etc.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5e8f22474d.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c7cb6773b5.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a51da2a906.jpg
Teej...

airsound 12th Jun 2022 15:44

Thanks for that teej! Interesting that your one airborne picture shows a 9-ship. Was that part of the display, or was the display 7-ship, as announced?

airsound


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