Armed Forces Pay Review 22
 

Any word when the Armed Force Pay Review will report for this FY? I see it was meant to report sometime in May, but no sign so far.

The expectation with the AFPRB Report was to have it finished by May 22 for the Government to consider. With all the political shenanigans going on right now we’ll be lucky to see it published before summer recess on 21st July 22 - especially if there is a vote of no confidence. Personally, I’m not holding my breath until early September now with what is going on :rolleyes:

From here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ings/cbp-9413/

3.5%
 

https://questions-statements.parliam...-07-19/hcws237
This year the AFPRB have recommended:

• a headline increase in base pay for all members of their remit group (including medical and dental officers) of 3.75%;
  
• that all accommodation charges are capped at 1%; and
  
• rises and changes to other targeted forms of remuneration, and some increases to compensatory allowances. Where specified, these recommended changes are to be backdated to 1 April 2022.
  
  The SSRB have recommended:
  
• all members of the senior military, including Medical Officers and Dental Officers (MODOs), should receive a 3.5% consolidated increase to base pay;
  
• no change to the current pay arrangements for MODOs:
  

1. 2-star MODOs should continue to be paid 10% above the base pay at the top of the MODO 1-star scale, plus X-Factor:
   
2. 3-star MODOs should continue to be paid 5% above the base pay at the top of the MODO 2-star scale, plus X-Factor.
   

• that the minimum guaranteed increase to base pay (excluding X-Factor) on promotion from 1-star to 2-star does not fall below 10%;
  
• that the minimum guaranteed increase to base pay (excluding X-Factor) on promotion from 2-star to 3-star does not fall below 10%.
  

As I expected, of all the deals announced today the Armed Forces comes off worse once again. Shocked I tell you, shocked.

Whilst this payrise is far below inflation, I consider it entirely in line with expectations. I say that because I was an RAF pilot for just shy of 30 years so I know very well indeed how MOD pay rises work. This is par for the couse and if I am honest it is actually not bad, if you are to consider previous MoD pay awards.

In all my time in the RAF, I loved my job, loved my colleagues, and loved the noble purpose and grand vision of the organization I worked for. People in the RAF need to be honest with themselves - they are doing their job for these reasons, and not for money. If they want a decent salary, they must leave. It really is that simple - most RAF people have no idea whatsoever what the outside market is like - they can earn a fortune, based on their RAF knowledge and experience.

I was a pilot and left the RAF on Professional Aviator Pay Spine on 79K per year as a Flight Lieutenant in 2018, so NOT a senior Officer. Good money I am sure most will agree...here is the thing...

I accepted a non-flying position on leaving the RAF with an aviation company. My Christmas bonus in my first year was more than my annual salary in the RAF...really. I am being paid an absolute fortune for the knowldge and skills the RAF gave me, and anyone can do the same.

If you are unhappy with the pay award, then leave! Seriously...just leave. You have no idea how lucrative the outside world is...the RAF pay peanuts and your skills are worth a fortune. Put your profile and experience/skills on LinkedIn (other platforms are available) and you won't have to wait long.

The Military will bleed you dry and pay you peanuts - there are companies willing to make you rich for what you know if you have what they are looking for.

Of course the best position is to be an OAP on a government index-linked pension with lots of index-linked NSIs ...... deferred gratification but gratification indeed.

10% or so so of quite a lot is quite a lot. Roll on September's inflation figures.

Most public sector worker unions have threatened to strike. Of course, we are unable to do that but will be obliged to cover for some other public sector workers whilst they do strike, inevitably gaining them more money.

As BI says, start planning for exit with more lucrative pay deals. We are not more professional because we do more with less, we’re just doing more with less.

3.75% for those still serving seems pretty miserly.

Whereas according to the CTP website, Armed Forces pensions, once awarded, are adjusted in April each year by the Consumer Price Index (CPI). The CPI rate used is the CPI headline rate for the September prior to the April adjustment the following year. This rate is formally announced in October each year.

But with CPI at around 9.4%, do we really anticipate the government holding to this agreement? Perhaps encouraging is the announcement that, for the State Pension, the 'triple lock' will be applied for 2023....meaning a rise in accordance with inflation.

NHS Porters and Cleaners - 9.3%
Nurses - 5%
Police - 5%
Doctors and Dentists - 4.5%
Military - 3.75%

The “Ukraine Bonus” clearly didn’t have any effect.

Well they held to it last year when it was 3.1% even though it didn’t take effect until this Apr by which time headline inflation was much higher and increasing. It would be quite a step to not pay it, whereas for those still serving they would be merely agreeing to the figure determined by the independent pay review body.

Agree. The only means to influence current renumeration for those serving ironically is to leave. Let's not dress this up to be something it isn't, this is a 7% pay cut. I have no idea how far our pay has actually fallen behind inflation since 2010?

Voting with your feet
 

I love the RAF. I have greatly enjoyed my time in the RAF, but I made the decision earlier this year to leave and I will be out within a few weeks.

I fully understand that the MOD does not have a bottomless pit of cash. Which is why, to satisfy my financial ambitions, I decided to part company. I may be back one day but, for now, the only solution for me was to leave.

The small pay rise before I draw my 23 year AFPS 75 (thankyou Mcloud) PAS pension will not have done me any harm though.

BV

OMG BV, with you gone who will be left to defend the modern RAF against all the previously departed complainers?!

Best of luck in your future (better remunerated) endeavours.

I got out in 2013, set up my own Business (hobby really), and for 2022 I've just awarded myself more shareholder values of 20%. The grass can be greener; get out, get valued, and collect the green dollar.

The thing that stood out for me from the AFPRB report was the proposal to pay all aircrew from a consolidated pay scale. The aim is to reward experience and qualifications, presumably with a view to retaining those SQEP individuals. As ever the devil will be in the detail but there is at least an acknowledgment that remuneration for the sharp end needs to be more competitive.

Glad to see they have capped accom at 1%. I remember one year when we had a pay rise the MQ rent went up so much I was actually 50p a week worse off after the pay increase. If we had one more child we would have been elligable for Family Income Suppliment (yes that REALLY dates me). One of my colleagues with three children actually claimed and got it and was carpeted for bringing the RAF into disrepute by the boss (goodness knows how they found out) but he told him to stick it (or words to that effect) and got away with it. At least we seem to be paid somewhat better than that these days although still not fully valued.

Remember the 'Waddington Wives' protest in the 1970s? THAT got the government's attention!!

Recommended £30k RP for 4 year RoS on Watchkeeper is a pretty good deal for the Gunners!

Will be interested in the detail for SNCO pilots and the proposed 12 and 15 year point RPs, many will probably still be under the initial 6 year RoS when they hit those timings so likely not eligible I'd have thought?

I remember reading somewhere that there was a capped maximum rise for UK Armed Forces Pensions regardless of the CPI the previous September. I thought it was 5% but I just checked back and found I got 5.2% in 2011 so if there is a cap it's higher.