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Asturias56 26th May 2022 06:07

we could be like the Canadians who rename everything just to confuse everyone

chevvron 26th May 2022 06:57


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 11235482)
Falcon is a French aeroplane. Cannot have that name used!

As I sad above, the Falcon is a british built glider of the '30s and the Falcon was the American version of the Dassault Mystere 20.

treadigraph 26th May 2022 09:23


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11235676)
As I sad above, the Falcon is a british built glider of the '30s and the Falcon was the American version of the Dassault Mystere 20.

Tsk tsk Chevvron, you overlook the lovely and very British Miles Falcon of 1934 - surely an executive aircraft in its time! :)

Davef68 26th May 2022 10:26

There's not been a military Falcon before (although some Miles ones were impressed during WW2), mainly because for a lot of the 20th Century, bird of prey names were reserved for Rolls Royce engines.(there were exceptions to that) so Falcon CCmk 1 would have been quite in order. be interesting to see if once it gets fully militarised, it actually gets a role designator.

Martin the Martian 26th May 2022 12:51

I'm excited that after 75 years we are abandoning Arabic numerals and role prefixes. We now have the Typhoon IV, the Hawk II, the Chinook VI and of course the XVII Globemaster and XXXV Lightning.

sandiego89 26th May 2022 13:24


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11235661)
we could be like the Canadians who rename everything just to confuse everyone

Indeed, took me a while to figure out what an Aurora was. Surprised they stuck with "Hornet" for the F/A-18.

NutLoose 26th May 2022 13:47


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 11235789)
There's not been a military Falcon before (although some Miles ones were impressed during WW2), mainly because for a lot of the 20th Century, bird of prey names were reserved for Rolls Royce engines.(there were exceptions to that) so Falcon CCmk 1 would have been quite in order. be interesting to see if once it gets fully militarised, it actually gets a role designator.


Modern era Rolls Royce Jet engines were named after rivers, Conway, Tyne, Trent, Adour, Dart, Clyde, Avon, Derwent, Medway etc..
You have to go way back to their piston engines to really find the bird names.

So as you are referring to the 20th Century and as we have moved on from that, perhaps the Millenium Falcon would have been apt. :E

Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc as RAF aircraft, I do wonder if the reasoning is to avoid confusion in military circles with the F16 Falcon, even though it's supposed to be the Fighting Falcon... Or was.


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parishiltons 27th May 2022 05:10


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11235265)
I'm surprised they never named the '146.

They probably did not want to admit that they were operating them and hoped they would go away quietly. Even Charles had an unsuccessful go at getting rid of one for them, didn't he?

India Four Two 27th May 2022 05:49


Surprised they stuck with "Hornet" for the F/A-18.
They even kept the number - CF-18. Similarly with the CF-104.

On the other hand, not many people would connect CC-138 with the Twin Otter!

Ascend Charlie 27th May 2022 07:14

It's a nice shiny new aircraft - perhaps call it "ENVY"?

Davef68 27th May 2022 10:26


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 11236282)
They even kept the number - CF-18. Similarly with the CF-104.

On the other hand, not many people would connect CC-138 with the Twin Otter!

Officially, the Hornet is the CF-188 (You can see what they did there - the Globemaster is CC177).

Underbolt 29th May 2022 13:55


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11235461)
That's not how it works. "C.2" (or, more correctly "C Mk. 2") indicates that the same aircraft type (not an older type with the same name) has existed as a Mk. 1 at some stage.

Was the Harrier GR5 really the same aircraft as the GR3? 🤷‍♂️

Mogwi 29th May 2022 16:10

Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

Mog

Big Pistons Forever 29th May 2022 16:39

Seems appropriate

European New, Voters Oblivious Yet again......

Hat, Coat, Umbrella, Briefcase. Roller Bag, Emergency exit slide

Roland Pulfrew 30th May 2022 16:03


Originally Posted by Mogwi (Post 11237471)
Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

Mog

I understand that EHI 01 and EH 101 was a typo that was never corrected. Probably the same with the Marlin ;)

Underbolt 1st Jun 2022 12:24

I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation - Lightning FGR.7 or FGR.8, depending on whether or not the English Electric F.7 was ever deemed to 'exist'.

DaveReidUK 1st Jun 2022 13:10


Originally Posted by Underbolt (Post 11238936)
I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation

Neither was the C-17.

Davef68 1st Jun 2022 15:00


Originally Posted by Underbolt (Post 11238936)
I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation - Lightning FGR.7 or FGR.8, depending on whether or not the English Electric F.7 was ever deemed to 'exist'.


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11238965)
Neither was the C-17.

I did read it was because both were tied into the US certification and engineering systems

DaveReidUK 1st Jun 2022 16:27


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 11239018)
I did read it was because both were tied into the US certification and engineering systems

Either that, or somebody thought that Lightning II Mk.1 (and ditto Globemaster III) would just be confusing. :O

Union Jack 1st Jun 2022 18:03


Originally Posted by Mogwi (Post 11237471)
Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

Mog

Additionally, don't forget that RNAS Worthy Down was HMS KESTREL, RNAS Kete was HMS HARRIER and, perhaps a little more significantly than "Somehow" in the current context, RNAS Donibristle was HMS MERLIN, and of course RNAS Culdrose is HMS SEAHAWK rather than plain old HAWK. :D

Jack


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