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Tartiflette Fan 9th Apr 2022 12:36

Does Germany need the Bomb ?
 
This is the title of an article* in a major German news magazine - focus. The author asks what would the strategic position of Germany be if Trump were re-elected in 2025 and Le Pen next month ( strangely UK not mentioned at all ) thus making the nuclear umbrella somewhat uncertain, and Putin still in an expansionist mood. I would never have imagined I would read such an article. He adds that, in today's papers there is an open letter signed by 600 German "worthies" saying that it is wrong to spend 100 Mrd on re-equipping the German military ( and upping future spend to 2%).


* https://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch..._80628355.html

jolihokistix 9th Apr 2022 13:18

A similar question is now being seriously debated in Japan.

Tartiflette Fan 9th Apr 2022 14:29

If we add to this, the fact that Poland's deputy prime-minister said last week that they would be open to the stationing of nuclear war-heads on Polish soil, then that represents significant movement in a policy that has been "frozen" for a lot of years.

fitliker 9th Apr 2022 15:01

Would the bomb protect German women from the invading hordes of Rapists presently making shopping at night a dangerous pastime for women in Germany ?
As Aristotle might say ask the right question if you want the right answer .

ZeBedie 9th Apr 2022 16:34

Given Germany's past naughty behaviour, I'd say it may not be a good idea.

NutLoose 9th Apr 2022 16:38

I would have said at the fall of the wall Ukraine didn’t need them, but now I feel a massive reduction and the retention of say a dozen or so would have prevented the genocide now taking place.

Does Germany need them? If NATO still holds weapons on their territory then probably not.

HOVIS 9th Apr 2022 17:00


Originally Posted by fitliker (Post 11213025)
Would the bomb protect German women from the invading hordes of Rapists presently making shopping at night a dangerous pastime for women in Germany ?
As Aristotle might say ask the right question if you want the right answer .

Have the Russians made it to Germany already?

Tartiflette Fan 9th Apr 2022 17:31


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11213057)
I would have said at the fall of the wall Ukraine didn’t need them, but now I feel a massive reduction and the retention of say a dozen or so would have prevented the genocide now taking place.

Does Germany need them? If NATO still holds weapons on their territory then probably not.

The article is based on the possibility of a re-elected Trump and his oft expressed . reluctance to risk American lives for Europeans who are "free-loaders" and whether he might actually withdraw from NATO.

Sam Ting Wong 9th Apr 2022 17:50

The solution could be a European Bomb, rather than a German one. There can be no doubt Europe needs to emancipate and able to defend itself without help.

His dudeness 9th Apr 2022 18:07


Given Germany's past naughty behaviour, I'd say it may not be a good idea.
My best guess is that you won´t be able to get a democratic vote for a 'German bomb' in Germany.


Tartiflette Fan 9th Apr 2022 18:23


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 11213081)
My best guess is that you won´t be able to get a democratic vote for a 'German bomb' in Germany.

I wouldn't like to say now, but that might change when everything about Russian behaviour in Ukraine is finally publicised.

As for Sam Ting Wong's comment, I can't imagine how you devise a system allowing for use with 27 members, many of which would then have to consult their parliaments as well.

nomilk 9th Apr 2022 19:23


Originally Posted by fitliker (Post 11213025)
Would the bomb protect German women from the invading hordes of Rapists presently making shopping at night a dangerous pastime for women in Germany ?

And now, tell us where German women go shopping at night? There are a handful of 24 h supermarkets in Berlin and Bavaria turns off the lights at 8 pm. So where is it so dangerous?

Alpine Flyer 9th Apr 2022 19:56

Nuclear proliferation is not going to make the world a better or even safer place....

Saintsman 9th Apr 2022 20:15


Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong (Post 11213076)
The solution could be a European Bomb, rather than a German one. There can be no doubt Europe needs to emancipate and able to defend itself without help.

If it was an EU bomb, you would need agreement of all 27 members to use it. By the time they all agreed, it would be too late.

Mind you, there would be no first strike...

Tartiflette Fan 9th Apr 2022 20:19

Alpine Flyer - Are you saying that Ukraine would still have been invaded if it had kept its nukes ?

mickjoebill 10th Apr 2022 02:55


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11213122)
Alpine Flyer - Are you saying that Ukraine would still have been invaded if it had kept its nukes ?

A pertinent question.

Here is another, if Ukraine had a non nuclear, precision guided weapon, capable of assassinating the Russian head of State with little collateral damage, would they use it?

Mjb



ersa 10th Apr 2022 03:42


Originally Posted by HOVIS (Post 11213064)
Have the Russians made it to Germany already?

Didn't realise Russians were running away leaving there women and kids behind, and lying about there age ?

Asturias56 10th Apr 2022 07:13

"Alpine Flyer - Are you saying that Ukraine would still have been invaded if it had kept its nukes ?"

As with Libya & Iraq - anyone who has a nuclear weapon won't give it up now and people who almost have one (Iran) will redouble their efforts to get one

Who can blame them?

Less Hair 10th Apr 2022 07:18

For Japan and South Korea they might make sense as a counter threat. There is no time to get them when things turn sour. Limiting nukes has only limited the good guys from getting them. The evil guys still armed up.

His dudeness 10th Apr 2022 07:59


Mind you, there would be no first strike...
Which after all, would be the most reasonable position. But then....

Anyhuw, the issue at hand developd slowly, and it showcases how bad we all are perceiving slow moving threads. First Ossetia, then the Crimea, now Ukrain and probably Moldova and or the baltics next. Yet Mr.Putin is still seen by some as a peaceful man or that there is a LEGITIMATE Russian claim in any of this.


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