With the Landrover Defender ending, do you think the Ineos Grenadier will have a roll
 

In the military to replace the Landrover, it looks very Landroverish and appears to be very good, see the prototype testing. I realise we have the later armoured stuff developed for the likes of Afghanistan, but as a general replacement for the Utility off-roader.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...Grenadier.html

WWIII is about to start, I strongly suspect that nobody on this forum gives a **** right now.

Landrover is officially the most unreliable manufacturer in USA, Canada, and is at or near the bottom in every other nation. They are beautiful when new, and unbeatable when they work, but they are biblically unreliable and it is not a case of if breaks, but when. Just google the owners websites.
Want a solid, reliable and capable 4x4? …look anywhere other than Landrover.

Well that’s a frank response, thanks for your insight. Stiff upper lip and all that… :)

It seems to be more Gwagon than land rover, Gwagons are fairly popular in the military, more so now than defenders. Could be an interesting choice over the Gwagon

do you think the Ineos Grenadier will have a roll

It might have a röle. 😊

I think it has a roll-bar…

It was a play on words to catch your attention… ahhh well back to the drawing board..

I think the Toyota Hilux with some angry men and a .50cal in the back is now the most popular choice.

Mog - I'm sure you meant rôle unless you meant a Turkish relay?;)

Sorry, blame the old eyes!😳

Isn't Ineos run by the Brexit-tub-thumper who then decided that the EU was the best place to build his wannabe-LR? Would be a tough sell to the electorate.

Anyway, couldn't agree more with Baldeep (and the Republic of Ireland's Rangers, who were particularly glad to see the back of the LR) - dreadful vehicles, fine for 1948 but not for these days. Steyr/Daimler/Puch were building far better vehicles back in the 1970s/80s which the Omani army among others were delighted with; took ages for the UK to come to the same decision.

"Tower, we've rolled the Grenadier over, over", doesn't have the same ring to it. :E

He actually decided that the superbly-updated Hambach Smart factory ( newly surplus to requirements ) was a better bet that a new-build in S Wales;

The Ozzies had a saying: If you want to out into the GAFA, take a Landrover. If you want to come back, take a Landcruiser.

Ain't that the truth. Spent nearly 50 years working in the GAFA, mostly with overloaded vehicles. Landcruisers were far and away the most reliable and safe vehicles, in my experience. Never broke a half-shaft in one either. How many LR users can say that?

Was in Oman when the LR sales team brought a few examples of the first Discovery out so people could have a look around. The FAC team took one out into the desert - pretty unimpressed, they handed it back to the LR team with their comments. Among other things it was observed that the air-con only worked for about 3 hours before packing-in. The LR people were aghast - "you tried running it for 3 hours?!!". The FAC folk then pointed out that their Toyota Tercel 4x4 estate car and the Landcruisers were all capable of similar or better cross-country desert performance, and that the air-con remained on throughout. Re "Defenders" - the sub-aqua club used to take their V8 LWB into the jebel area SE of Muscat en-route to a favourite beach. I took my Suzuki 410, with all their tanks in the back, on the same route - never had to go down to 4WD let alone low-ratio, whereas you could hear the LR straining up some of the inclines with everything selected 'on'.

The GAFA experience was shared by the SOLF unit with responsibility for the Wahiba Sands (WFR?) - they sourced as many Series 1 Landcruisers as they could find - it was the only vehicle that could handle the terrain. LR half-shafts - guess what the main item that used to have to be flown out to A and D Sqns during the First Gulf Unpleasantness used to be?

You'd think I'd have learned from this, but no - when subsequently posted to the land of BFG and discount motors, I thought the high-driving position of the Disco would be a bonus in a RHD vehicle over there. It was - but I hadn't factored in the delay before Natocars could hand over the vehicle as their inspection found 151 (they kindly itemised them for me) pre-delivery faults. Replaced it after the standard 12 months with a LWB RAV4 - never looked back. Just regret the year spent polluting Germany with all those diesel fumes.

I did a Toyota off road day and the guy there doing the instructing said he would choose a Landcruiser then a landrover and Gwagen, the BMW he didn't rate at all because when the electronics failed he said it reverted to one wheel drive.

Just an observation from the edges of the GAFA

Longreach: having my last flat white for 650km, (next one in Mt Isa) I counted cars 😬.

About 7 out 10 were Toyota 4WD of various types, mainly Hilux and Troopies

Yes, been in a LR limping home with a broken shaft.

Better get the old Mercedes G-Class tooling from Austria (Steyr Daimler Puch) and rebuild the "Wolf" military vehicle. BTW: Developed on request of the Shah of Iran originally.