Oh mutley four my dear sarcastic buddy, don't get me wrong i like your style,:rolleyes:.
I'm not "an individual who wants a fast pass to civvy street!", as i have said BEFORE, its simply called having options, i was simply asking about "civvy flying" those damn amateurs they have it so easy dont they!;) .

If im in the RN in 5/6 years then i would be 100% committed to Queen and country and "civvy flying would be at the back of my mind".

Speedbird, i would give up! You aren't going to win, the hole keeps getting bigger. You might start getting heat like good old WEBF gets ;)

Tbird
Yes perhaps i should give up...but i have to show i'm 100% committed to it, thats what matters in life. ;)

Speedbird283 ( a cocky, but grateful seventeen year old who is years behind certain people as regards humour in this forum:D )

Keep on a diggin!!;)

Speedbird - I only hope the Matelots have something for you to fly when/if you get there!

I know a few RN (Fleet Air Arm) guys who have been waiting a long time to continue through pilots training for one reason or another.

My only advice for you is that as the forces are cut back, so are the airframes as well as their hours!

You might not get exactly what your looking for!



:rolleyes:

mutley four
Im fully aware of cutbacks in the forces, i want to fly in the forces FULL STOP. Im also fully aware that its highly likely i won't get what i'm looking for, but isn't that life!!.
How do you know what i want??-and before you say it its not a fast track pass to BA!

Thanks anyway mutley:cool:

( I won't be posting for a few days, i'm in the Lake District on D of E expedition, so have fun everybody)

Too many contradictary statements
 

This Speedbird caracter ( strange choice of name for one so committed to military flying and service of Great Britain, while being a member of the FBI). This walter mitty life seems to be the work of The Poster Formerly Known As WEBF.:cool:

Speedbird,

Don't listen to the miserable, bitter, you've-got-to-be-committed, bunch. I did exactly what you're thinking of doing. Joined the RAF on a Short Service Commission, got an ATPL, was going to leave and join an airline - but then realised I was enjoying it so stayed in (joined in 85). Still got the ATPL, still use it on occasions.

If you're committed to flying you will succeed whoever you work for.

My advice: Get in, get an ATPL, if you like it stay in, if not - you've got an ATPL.

WEBF?

Interesting comments, chaps, i remember being in a similar position to Speedbird around 7 years ago. I was lucky enough to get a Flying Scholarship when you were still awarded 30 Hours (much cheaper jump to PPL then). Academically, i wasn't brilliant, scraped A Levels and degree (albeit an Engineering degree) but i was motivated and just a little bit lucky i guess...

Anyway, now a 1st tourist on ASW Sea King Sqn (that narrows it down some then doesn't it!!), still thoroughly enjoying the flying, although as is common with all RN Aircrew, secondary duties / divisional work playing an increasingly large part of my day-to-day work. Not something you think about at Dartmouth that much. Certainly a few of my colleagues are looking to do their return of service and go civvy, whilst an equal number are looking to make the jump to "light blue".
Why is this?
Well, in spite of the fact we are Navy, it still comes as a shock when the ******s actually send us to sea!! Personally i don't mind it but there are some who hate it with a passion. Most of my oppos joined as aircrew first, sailors second (in spite of what might be said "in public" as it were). Not wishing to go down the "why not join the crabs then?" route as i'm merely sounding off here (and RAF go to sea a fair bit now anyway...), but on top of the Dartmouth / training nause to get front line, I hope our aspiring aviator can embrace the "Navy" part of a career flying for the Fleet Air Arm, make that point clear at AIB and above all, remain focused on the end result. ;)

Hi Speedbird,

Sorry that this reply is about 3 weeks later than the last post on this topic, still I hope that it will remain helpful.

Just a small point that if you were to join the Fleet Air Arm you would be in for a lot longer than 5-6 years. This is the period for your return of service ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN AWARDED your wings. Before this you have at least 2 and a half years of training which will actually probably take nearer 4 years to complete because you will not graduate from Dartmouth straight to JEFTS, straight to rotary/ jets, straight onto OFTS etc. Also, if you join when you are younger rather than nearer the upper age limit for aircrew you are more likely to be kept waiting whilst elder officers are put through the training pipeline ahead of you.

Result: You will be in for nearer 10 years, if not more, and whilst if you want to be military aircrew (as has been previously said) it would be a worthwhile 10 years, if this is a way to become a commercial pilot maybe you should take the more direct route.

I definitely agree that going on a POC course would give you a better idea of what to expect of a life where you Fly Navy.

Good luck mate

Speedbird 283,

You can get to the last day of flying training before you get your wings.... then resign and go to civy street!

They will try to make you do a year's notice, but there are ways and means of getting out of that...

Remember, the powers that be don't give a cr*p if you get blown to bits, really they don't. You've got to look out for number one!

At AIB just feed them the stuff they want to hear...I really want to fly Junglies(not some forty year old piece of junk with a pop gun in the door) or Merlin(Which is never going to work.. ever..face it).

Dartmouth etc is just a load of b*llocks about learning which knives and forks to use, and how to stand motionless on a parade square for 3 hours, followed by mastering the art of getting cold and wet on dartmoor.

As for flying training, just keep bugging them with how keen you are and they won't suspect a thing!

See you in the friendly skies!

:)

FIVE Interviews - Bloody Hell!!!!
 

Five interviews - and still no acceptance?

I reckon you must be a REAL Feeb, or maybe a BA management.
You don't sound like the sort of person up to conning the AIB, let alone the rest of the RN training system anyway.

Fly Navy, Dig Army, Eat Crabs! :D :p :D

Senior Service
 

Speedbird,

I am ex Navy, non flyer.

I say go for it, even if you dont make air crew, which is very tough, the experiences, training and friends that you make will stand you well whatever you choose to do in the future.

Ex military nearly always stand above everybody else when interviewing in civvy street. Get yourself a well paid job and do it yourself. Well thats my plan.

Everbody knows the RN is the senior service :D :D and its the place to be at 18 years old.

Good luck and I am sure you will love it.

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Bah humbug!!!!!

:D ;) :D