The sort of thinking that prolonged the Battle of the Atlantic by 2 years. Good to see it's still around

Rather expensive way of dealing with a rather cheap problem. Let’s hope it doesn’t become a standard way of dealing with low tech threats - we need to think about how we do GBAD properly or we’ll be bled to death when our opponents realise they don’t have to engage us face to face to erode our capabilities.

CWIS and a decent radar as well had in Basra would be my starter for 10 for point defence which is what the C-UAS threat relates to. And a re-writing of doctrine: enemy use of UAS mean we no longer have air superiority let alone supremacy. Favourable Air Situation is now as good as it gets.

It's expensive to use the missile, but the consequences of NOT using the missile could be far more expensive in terms of lives or material lost on the ground. Hopefully APKWS will make this problem cheaper to solve.

For the bigger Class UAS maybe, but ask the Saudis how it’s going burning Patriot and AMRAAM against the UAS threat. Even they are wincing at the cost and they are on the receiving end most days.

But the point stands we haven’t got a credible GBAD capability right the way up from tactical to strategic levels of warfare. And you can’t put all your eggs into one basket and hope there’s going to be a Typhoon in the right place at the right time on the off chance. Plus as soon as the threat morphs into missiles rather than slow moving UAS then it’s game over for deployed and home base forces.

And a quick look at the enemy ORBAT - both state and militia - says we’ve already passed that point.

I think that many of you miss the real point!

What a fantastic capability the ASRAAM has to take out such a target. This makes the seeker head and avionics an absolute world beater.

We should be really proud in the UK that we managed to develop such a great missile that still has not reached its full potential or capability. Yes the seeker come from the USA but its the way that the information is processed that is unique!

Could the answer be Sky Sabre, just coming into service with the British army. Claims to be able to take out items size of tennis ball traveling at supersonic speed! Would have thought Saudi's might like SS as well!

No cheaper than an ASRAAM seeing that it is basically an ASRAAM with an active radar seeker head.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f5c2470c70.jpg
Wish people would stop droning on about old Typhoons.Merry Xmas to all those on Shader, some of them I served with many moons ago. Some good bods out there.

That's a Tempest V ;)

​​​​​​So it is. Must admit my aircraft recognition is awful compared to my younger days. Got to the Air Britain final as well at the ATC corps final at Hendon in 1983. As irreverent to the meaning of the rest of the post wishing the best to all that are on Shader formed and non formed deployments. Nice models mind.

So true!
Just cannot understand why the RAF tech leadership failed to recognize the massive advantage provided by the Mustang style behind the cockpit radiator.
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Not invented by the RAE!!!

"F. W. Meredith was a British engineer working at the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE), Farnborough. Reflecting on the principles of liquid cooling, he realized that what was conventionally regarded as waste heat, to be transferred to the atmosphere by a coolant in a radiator, need not be lost." :)

Somebody claiming precedence for his uncle who worked with Meredith - with a patent on the theme. Sorry for the thread divergence….

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...3/post-1427658

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...3/post-1428101

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...3/post-1428938

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publ...R=472555A&KC=A

What about the Nimrod on 27/5/82 ?

Do tell.....???

First Nimrod MR2 AIM-9G Sidewinder firing trial took place on that day at Aberporth. My source doesn't say if the missile hit anything (Flare pack or the Jindy towing it).

We’re talking real ops not trials… there’s been plenty of ASRAAMs, Skyflash, ‘winders etc punted off down a range over the years.

I concur totally, however it wasn't me that first mentioned the aircraft type or the date.

At least now you can stamp the missile with 'Combat proven'!!