Russian Sonar Buoys off Ireland
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Its surprising you cant walk from Ireland to Iceland on them, the amount out there.
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Did anyone watch Chan V series about HMS Trenchant, that was an eye opener
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I am watching the HMS Trenchant series. Having scoffed at the BBC farce "Vigil" I am having to eat my words, truth it would appear is stranger than fiction after all! The Russians dont seem to need to infiltrate the crew to cause the boat to surface / return to port.
In the course of the first two episodes, they have had to surface to offload a sailor with a blistered hand, lost half of the refrigeration capacity within 4 days of leaving port, had an engine room fire necessitating a return to port, lost the use of all heads, and had a failure of the air scrubbers necessitating the entire crew breathing emergency air. One can only hope that the reactor and the weapons are more reliable......... The apparently appalling reliability of the boat is so bad that I find myself asking whether this is a set up by the Navy to garner public sympathy and support for greater investment. The Vigil producers would have discarded this script as being way too far fetched. |
I remember a similar incident when I was on the Coastal Command Com Flt in the very early sixties. We were flying to Scotland daily due to a big Nato Naval Exercise up there when a Shackleton dropped one of the latest Sonar Beacons to monitor under water traffic. Shortly after the drop, a Russian Submarine surfaced, collected the floating Beacon, and then submerged.
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Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 11119094)
I am watching the HMS Trenchant series. Having scoffed at the BBC farce "Vigil" I am having to eat my words, truth it would appear is stranger than fiction after all! The Russians dont seem to need to infiltrate the crew to cause the boat to surface / return to port.
In the course of the first two episodes, they have had to surface to offload a sailor with a blistered hand, lost half of the refrigeration capacity within 4 days of leaving port, had an engine room fire necessitating a return to port, lost the use of all heads, and had a failure of the air scrubbers necessitating the entire crew breathing emergency air. One can only hope that the reactor and the weapons are more reliable......... The apparently appalling reliability of the boat is so bad that I find myself asking whether this is a set up by the Navy to garner public sympathy and support for greater investment. The Vigil producers would have discarded this script as being way too far fetched. |
In a recent series of adverts for Royal Navy recruits this year, the ship featured had a rotating spiky spherical radome which clearly was misshapen and irregular, and the windscreen wipers juddered as they crossed the screens.
I did wonder about the quality of 'modern' ship construction when I noticed this - unless of course it was a studio model and not the real thing? |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 11119103)
In a recent series of adverts for Royal Navy recruits this year, the ship featured had a rotating spiky spherical radome which clearly was misshapen and irregular.
Edit to add: Being a quarter cheese shape and slightly tilted it certainly looked misshappen as it rotated. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cff44916ef.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c6cbfb22c0.jpg The type that you mention is ; "The distinctive SAMPSON antenna is mounted in a single carbon-fibre composite frame which holds two hexagonal back-to-back planar arrays. Two semi-circular radomes cover the arrays to complete the ball shape which is about 4.8 meters in diameter. At first glance, antenna appears spherical but when seen rotating it is obvious that it is not symmetrical in all axis and tapers at the sides. Mounted on circular, highly durable race and roller bearing designed to cope with temperature extremes, the antenna is rotated at 30rpm. The 4 “whiskers” protruding from its surface are designed to conduct lightning strikes away from the sensitive array." |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11119100)
Wonder what happened to the captain between first and second show. Either they spent a long time in port to fix the engine or a he was removed. Also I use this series as an example of why australia would be stupid to take these as interim boats for the possible incoming SSN's
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The apparently appalling reliability of the boat is so bad that I find myself asking whether this is a set up by the Navy to garner public sympathy and support for greater investment. I can imagine the RN weren’t prepared to spend much on her except for essential repairs and parts. If a sub has the equivalent of a MEL I’m assuming it had flags and stickers all over it for the last trip…. |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11119100)
Wonder what happened to the captain between first and second show. Either they spent a long time in port to fix the engine or a he was removed. Also I use this series as an example of why australia would be stupid to take these as interim boats for the possible incoming SSN's
Captain was replaced because of that. |
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Originally Posted by ORAC
I can imagine the RN weren’t prepared to spend much on her….
Regarding the 'managed risk' - at a grand-strategic level the sudden unexplained loss of an attack boat whilst actively protecting a boomer's passage through home waters, with Russian attack boats in the vicinity, could be the prelude to a disaster. Loss of a single boat may not be the top-level risk. As an aside, the series so far left many questions from those of us more familiar with aviation. If a boat has 2 of something essential you would presume the second is there for redundancy. When it came to the 2 scrubbers it appeared that the failure of one was enough to deny the crew a breathable atmosphere. Sounds odd to me. |
One washed up on a beach in Cornwall last year I believe.
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Originally Posted by Stu666
(Post 11119235)
One washed up on a beach in Cornwall last year I believe.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11119278)
What!!!!!!?? A whole nuclear submarine - they kept that quiet!
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11119278)
What!!!!!!?? A whole nuclear submarine - they kept that quiet!
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._si_report.pdf Given the level of stupidity in the incident it is hard to pick a favourite part but letting the sub drift after finally pulling it free and having an expensive collision with the coastguard 'rescue' tug has to be on the shortlist. |
Thanks orac and nimrod, assumed something had happened for him to be removed.
The series is probably a little dramatised, like the toilet thing, if you look at the 2 guys putting the chemicals in to clean the pipes, they look to be dock workers, hardhats with high vis safety vests with a companies name on it and yet the doco is saying the sub is out to sea |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11119363)
Thanks orac and nimrod, assumed something had happened for him to be removed.
The series is probably a little dramatised, like the toilet thing, if you look at the 2 guys putting the chemicals in to clean the pipes, they look to be dock workers, hardhats with high vis safety vests with a companies name on it and yet the doco is saying the sub is out to sea |
Originally Posted by rattman
(Post 11119363)
Thanks orac and nimrod, assumed something had happened for him to be removed.
The series is probably a little dramatised........ |
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 11119389)
Agreed. I suspect even the 'Russians' segment was either an exercise or set up just for the cameras.
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I worked with a guy who had been in the submarine service who recounted a story about when they were shadowing a Russian sub from its baffles. Apparently they misjudged its speed and tailgated it - he said the whole crew thought they were a goner (probably the Russians too).
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Pretty sure it was Scotland they hit recently in an Astute sub |
Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 11119094)
I am watching the HMS Trenchant series. Having scoffed at the BBC farce "Vigil" I am having to eat my words, truth it would appear is stranger than fiction after all! The Russians dont seem to need to infiltrate the crew to cause the boat to surface / return to port.
In the course of the first two episodes, they have had to surface to offload a sailor with a blistered hand, lost half of the refrigeration capacity within 4 days of leaving port, had an engine room fire necessitating a return to port, lost the use of all heads, and had a failure of the air scrubbers necessitating the entire crew breathing emergency air. One can only hope that the reactor and the weapons are more reliable......... The apparently appalling reliability of the boat is so bad that I find myself asking whether this is a set up by the Navy to garner public sympathy and support for greater investment. The Vigil producers would have discarded this script as being way too far fetched. |
Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic
(Post 11119725)
Not yet watched it myself - but I thought that it was filmed during a period of sea training? The FOSTies have never had an aversion to the dictum of 'train hard - fight easy'. Do you watch crime dramas and tell the Police who the murderer was - or do you wait for the end credits?
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Originally Posted by admiral ackbar
(Post 11119823)
Didn't HMS Turbulent have a catastrophic cooling systems failure after being the subject of a documentary? Even during the documentary there were all kinds of issues with the boat, perhaps it is a curse to be on TV! Or these boats are getting a little long in the tooth
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Originally Posted by WE Branch Fanatic
(Post 11119725)
Not yet watched it myself - but I thought that it was filmed during a period of sea training? The FOSTies have never had an aversion to the dictum of 'train hard - fight easy'. Do you watch crime dramas and tell the Police who the murderer was - or do you wait for the end credits?
Do you comment on programmes without even seeing the opening credits, oh, sorry, you have already answered that... |
Originally Posted by Chrisbowe82
(Post 11119899)
I think we have to put things into perspective. You've got a 30+ year old nuclear power station crammed into a 100m tube, submerged, under pressure, that has to operate from tropical to arctic conditions for months and keep 130 people alive inside it...and it's also loaded with a few tonnes of explosives and in the case of my last boat, has to be able to put missiles into space, from under water. So yeah, there's defects. It's hard to explain just how much stuff is crammed into that tube. A boat can have a thousand defects and still be able to fight. I don't think I'm giving too much away by saying other nations operating boats the age of ours have the same defects.
The defects in question are not minor, and indeed one of them encroached on their ability to keep the crew alive. The fact that other nations are at least as bad seems like rather cold comfort. All of the previous "docudramas" I have watched which have been filmed with The Navy's cooperation have ended up seemed like quite good adverts for the service / service life. Im afraid that so far this series has looked more like a Brian Rix production, or a premature start of this years pantomime season. |
Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 11120227)
Have you watched the programme?
The defects in question are not minor, and indeed one of them encroached on their ability to keep the crew alive. The fact that other nations are at least as bad seems like rather cold comfort. All of the previous "docudramas" I have watched which have been filmed with The Navy's cooperation have ended up seemed like quite good adverts for the service / service life. Im afraid that so far this series has looked more like a Brian Rix production, or a premature start of this years pantomime season. |
I did watch both episodes last night.
1. Burnt hand - it happens. I am not sure why the guy needed evacuation, but communicating with the frigate and the boat transfer were useful training. 2. Refrigeration leak - it seemed odd that they captured the gas in a plastic bag. 3. Fire in engine room - seemed odd, no signs of water or foam being used. There were guys in white overalls with clipboards, which made me wonder If it was a training exercise. 4. Problem with air scrubbers - another training serial? After it was fixed the atmosphere was back to normal very quickly and EBS sets removed. 5. Coordinated operations working with HMS Sutherland - quite a big thing, either in British waters working with the Fleet Ready Escort and/or Towed Array Patrol Ship (and her helicopter, or possibly Maritime Patrol Aircraft), or as part of a deployed task group. |
Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 11120222)
It is most assuredly not pitched as being a training exercise.
Do you comment on programmes without even seeing the opening credits, oh, sorry, you have already answered that... Jack |
No reply falcon900? I watched both episodes of the programme and commented on your points.
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