Military delivering fuel
Interestingly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58713770 Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said the move to place the Army on standby was a "sensible, precautionary step" and if troops had to be deployed, they would temporarily "provide the supply chain with additional capacity" to ease the pressure caused by increased fuel demand. The BBC has been told that 75 military drivers are on standby initially, and another 75 could be added if needed. They require up to five days of specialised training. Strange how the Army can do in 5 days when you can do it on a 4 days civilian course, so is the problem testing and issuing, not the course itself? Do the military still do in house testing? https://www.easyashgv.co.uk/hgv-training-courses/ce/ |
Don't worry, this government is still dithering about. By the time they make up their minds, it will all have passed.
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So why not the RAF Drivers used to drive and refuel from Bowsers?
Or the Spare Aircraft Refuelers from the Civi Airports? Both used to handling volatile fuel and their vehicles easily cleaned out for Diesel or Unleaded... |
Originally Posted by Kiltrash
(Post 11118102)
So why not the RAF Drivers used to drive and refuel from Bowsers?
Or the Spare Aircraft Refuelers from the Civi Airports? Both used to handling volatile fuel and their vehicles easily cleaned out for Diesel or Unleaded... |
So why not the RAF Drivers used to drive and refuel from Bowsers? Or the Spare Aircraft Refuelers from the Civi Airports? He noted that the previous government up to 2010 (e.g. Labour) had moved to such support being provided from within the civil community under contract - doubtless exactly as you suggest - but since the Conservatives got back int9 office they prefer to use the armed forces. The problem with that is they seem to fail to understand how small the forces now re and how small a pool of people not required for their primary duties on a day to da6 basis there is - due in no small part of course to having identified all such posts as non-critical and privatised or contracted them out years ago anyway. Putr gesture politics of course - how far do they think 75 drivers will go spread out across 24 hours and the length and the breadth of the country - 2 in London, 1 each in Manchester, Birmingham, Bath, Bristol etc? |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11118134)
There was an interesting interview with a retired army VSO on Sky this morning addressing the issue of support to the civil powers.
He noted that the previous government up to 2010 (e.g. Labour) had moved to such support being provided from within the civil community under contract - doubtless exactly as you suggest - but since the Conservatives got back int9 office they prefer to use the armed forces. The problem with that is they seem to fail to understand how small the forces now re and how small a pool of people not required for their primary duties on a day to da6 basis there is - due in no small part of course to having identified all such posts as non-critical and privatised or contracted them out years ago anyway. Putr gesture politics of course - how far do they think 75 drivers will go spread out across 24 hours and the length and the breadth of the country - 2 in London, 1 each in Manchester, Birmingham, Bath, Bristol etc? N |
You'd get more drivers back than that if you just told existing drivers that, in an emergency, those who had contact with someone with Covid didn’t have to isolate unless they had symptoms. It’s not as if they mix with anyone in the cab anyway.
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Or the Spare Aircraft Refuelers from the Civi Airports? |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11118161)
You'd get more drivers back than that if you just told existing drivers that, in an emergency, those who had contact with someone with Covid didn’t have to isolate unless they had symptoms. It’s not as if they mix with anyone in the cab anyway.
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
(Post 11118102)
So why not the RAF Drivers used to drive and refuel from Bowsers?
Or the Spare Aircraft Refuelers from the Civi Airports? Both used to handling volatile fuel and their vehicles easily cleaned out for Diesel or Unleaded... OB |
I take it he has not been involved in changing a tanker over from Jet to Avgas, filters done etc and its the mother of all filters, then fill and flush etc
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The government will have to be careful they do not have a repeat of the firefighter's strike. Many of the airmen sent to man the Green Goddess fire tenders came back wanting to leave the RAF and become firemen. They had seen what a good job it was and how well paid it was. No doubt many military tanker drivers will discover the same. Plus they will not have to guard the 'camp' on their day off !
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
(Post 11118102)
Both used to handling volatile fuel and their vehicles easily cleaned out for Diesel or Unleaded...
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" Call in the Army" is the stock in trade of politicians feeling heat and pressure to do something to avoid seeming powerless / clueless. The efficacy of deploying military resources to address civilian problems is usually questionable, and rarely the most effective or efficient solution to a problem, but is a lever which is available for politicians to pull. No criticism of the military intended or warranted, it is simply a case of horses for courses.
We have world class logistics capability in this country, most of it in the hands of our supermarkets..... |
I think it’s true to say that the firemen’s strike got the military a pay rise. The military personnel sent in to replace the firemen over the Christmas period (and obviously not allowed to strike) were on considerably less pay. One of the good things that the Thatcher government did.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 11119106)
I think it’s true to say that the firemen’s strike got the military a pay rise. The military personnel sent in to replace the firemen over the Christmas period (and obviously not allowed to strike) were on considerably less pay. One of the good things that the Thatcher government did.
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And as a young LAC i think my pay probably went down because of it Rigga
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Originally Posted by Rigga
(Post 11119211)
I don't seem to recall that pay rise at all! The biggest rise I remember was in 76/77 when we got 17% (and here I shall quote the writing on the Hangar Fire Doors at Tern Hill - 17% of f@ck all is still f@ck all!)
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 11119106)
I think it’s true to say that the firemen’s strike got the military a pay rise. The military personnel sent in to replace the firemen over the Christmas period (and obviously not allowed to strike) were on considerably less pay. One of the good things that the Thatcher government did.
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