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57mm 15th Sep 2021 20:50

Odd traffic over Norfolk tonight
 
2140 tonight and I'm in the garden with the dog in Downham Market. A normal looking KC-135 trundles over at about 3000ft, inbound to Mildenhall, I guess. But shortly after, what is clearly a mil fast jet passes over at about 2000ft, heading about 150, with no lights whatsoever. Could only see an indistinct shape, but it was definitely without lights, which is definitely abnormal.

treadigraph 15th Sep 2021 20:58

The KC-135 was a C-17 inbound Mildenhall, no sign of the fast jet but an Osprey also routed over Downham Market at some point post 9.30pm.

1771 DELETE 15th Sep 2021 21:23

I guess we need to bring back some reece lessons !

ShyTorque 16th Sep 2021 08:39

Air to air refuelling is practiced by night “no lights”, using night vision devices. Small lights on the tanker are used as cues for the receiver aircraft but these are not visible to the naked eye. Maybe that’s what you were seeing.

ShyTorque 16th Sep 2021 08:40


Originally Posted by 1771 DELETE (Post 11111751)
I guess we need to bring back some reece lessons !

Spelling lessons, too? ;)

NRU74 16th Sep 2021 09:49


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 11111980)
Spelling lessons, too? ;)

Ahem, 1771 may point out that over in the UK we'd usually write 'Air to Air refuelling is practised.....'

212man 16th Sep 2021 09:55


Originally Posted by NRU74 (Post 11112009)
Ahem, 1771 may point out that over in the UK we'd usually write 'Air to Air refuelling is practised.....'

Or, even, 'air-to-air'

ShyTorque 16th Sep 2021 12:16


Originally Posted by NRU74 (Post 11112009)
Ahem, 1771 may point out that over in the UK we'd usually write 'Air to Air refuelling is practised.....'

Capital letter for the first "Air", but definitely not needed in the middle of a sentence.... ;)

57mm 16th Sep 2021 12:48

Back to the thread: AAR is not practised overland, IIRC. Ospreys have a distinctive sound and this aircraft definitely did not match it. It was a mil fast jet without lights and definitely not an Eagle either, as they also have a distinctive sound. I just find it odd that an aircraft is even permitted to fly without lights at night.....

sycamore 16th Sep 2021 16:46

Maybe a `stealth` jet from `El Adem with grass`...?

NRU74 16th Sep 2021 17:11

ST
I meant the verb !

ShyTorque 16th Sep 2021 19:38


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 11112086)
Back to the thread: AAR is not practised overland, IIRC. Ospreys have a distinctive sound and this aircraft definitely did not match it. It was a mil fast jet without lights and definitely not an Eagle either, as they also have a distinctive sound. I just find it odd that an aircraft is even permitted to fly without lights at night.....


I have previously done AAR overland, but admittedly not in U.K.

Military aircraft can and do fly in U.K. without lights. Normally NOTAM’d though.

DC10RealMan 17th Sep 2021 22:33

218 Squadron Short Stirling from RAF Downham Market?

El Grifo 17th Sep 2021 22:55

Welsh Crew ??
El G.


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