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Fonsini 24th Nov 2021 21:04

I have no time for men who abuse women in any way, but it is certainly a new world when this is a thing:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....064fb79bd.jpeg

ORAC 24th Nov 2021 21:47

There’s always a “but” isn’t there….

langleybaston 24th Nov 2021 22:11

This is a spoof? April 1st? No?

I know what stareing means, and starring, but what is this staring? An Americanism?

If staring means what I suppose it means, how can I do it with a sexual nature? I do remember hot pants and enjoyed stareing at the backside view.

The bottom {!} line is that I am not to make eye contact with anyone, be it female , male or indeed any of the myriad self-identifications.

This confirms my suspicion: the lunatics are fully in charge, and I and a few circles of friends and acquaintances are the last sane survivors of the human race.

beam me up/ stop the world I want to get off.



skridlov 25th Nov 2021 10:10

In the brilliant, hilarious, (IMHO) series "Succession", which depicts the disfunctional family empire of a right wing global media tycoon (think Murdoch) there is a brief shot, during the lead-in, of the parent news station "ATN" showing a newscaster over a banner headline which reads:
"I smiled at her by the photo copier and now I'm facing chemical castration"

ORAC 25th Nov 2021 10:42

Throwing up farcical headlines doesn’t excuse the problem - but probably explains why investigation and sentencing is being taken out of the hands of the military….


West Coast 25th Nov 2021 15:41


Originally Posted by Fonsini (Post 11146690)
I have no time for men who abuse women in any way, but it is certainly a new world when this is a thing:


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....064fb79bd.jpeg

Agree, that seems a little over the top. Actually, a lot over the top.

beardy 25th Nov 2021 16:41


I know what stareing means, and starring, but what is this staring? An Americanism?
​​​​​​? Stareing? Never heard of it, never seen it written, until now.

I was taught that it is rude to stare and find being stared at offensive and intimidating. Old school I suppose, but am glad that those not as well brought up are being educated how to comport themselves in public.

langleybaston 25th Nov 2021 19:38

Probably a relic of my long ago deep Sussex grammar school ........ I shall fall in line and write staring 100 times.

I promise that I will never say "different to" as opposed to "different from".

No fule like an old fule.

staring staring staring ​​​​​​​staring staring staring ​​​​​​​staring staring staring ​​​​​​​staring staring staring ........................

ORAC 25th Nov 2021 19:57


ORAC 30th Nov 2021 16:35


Stratnumberone 30th Nov 2021 17:04


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11149411)

excellent: always nice to see the defence committee respond quickly and have its finger ‘on the pulse’ in terms of what’s going on in the modern military. Tornado, eh?

ORAC 2nd Dec 2021 05:38

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59499247

Ministry of Defence aims to double women recruits in military by 2030

The number of women recruits in the Armed Forces would be doubled and the male-dominated culture tackled, under plans from the Ministry of Defence.

The reforms are a response to a report from MPs on women in the military which included accounts of assault and rape. But the MoD did not accept a key recommendation in the report to remove cases of rape and sexual assault from military courts.

More than 4,000 women - veterans and those still serving - gave evidence. The Commons Defence Sub-Committee on Women in the Armed Forces published its landmark report earlier this year.

Conviction rates for rape in military courts are up to six times lower than civilian courts, the sub-committee said.

Under the reforms announced, the number of women recruits in the military would increase to 30% by 2030.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said almost 90% of the women who engaged with the MPs' inquiry "said they would recommend a career in the armed forces". But he conceded further change was needed, adding military leaders had "listened carefully and are implementing bold changes in response".

"Having tested the recommendations with our own service women's networks, we are embracing almost all of them - and in many cases actually taking them further," Mr Wallace added…….

langleybaston 2nd Dec 2021 15:01

Here follows a world-weary, very non-woke thought, driven by Occam's Razor:

If we didn't have any women in the armed services the cases of rape would probably decrease [not cease ..............]

London Eye 2nd Dec 2021 15:19


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11150417)
Here follows a world-weary, very non-woke thought, driven by Occam's Razor:

If we didn't have any women in the armed services the cases of rape would probably decrease [not cease ..............]

And if we didn't have any alcohol in shops and pubs then drink driving would probably decrease too...

Easy Street 2nd Dec 2021 15:42

Langleybaston - I'm neither snowflake nor woke-ist, but find your thought to be an exceptionally objectionable one that would have been better kept to yourself. (1602hrs GMT, 2 Dec - I'll refrain from quoting in case you decide to delete, although I see that London Eye has already quoted you).

downsizer 2nd Dec 2021 18:50


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11150417)
Here follows a world-weary, very non-woke thought, driven by Occam's Razor:

If we didn't have any women in the armed services the cases of rape would probably decrease [not cease ..............]

Wow. It's the victims fault they were raped because they are in the armed forces. Unreal.

You know males get raped by other males as well right?

ExAscoteer2 2nd Dec 2021 19:45


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11150417)
Here follows a world-weary, very non-woke thought, driven by Occam's Razor:

If we didn't have any women in the armed services the cases of rape would probably decrease [not cease ..............]

Dash Dot Dot Dash!

Foghorn Leghorn 2nd Dec 2021 19:56


Originally Posted by downsizer (Post 11150478)
Wow. It's the victims fault they were raped because they are in the armed forces. Unreal.

You know males get raped by other males as well right?

Thats not what he said, Downsizer. Read his message again, slowly, and you’ll understand it.

Foghorn Leghorn 2nd Dec 2021 19:58


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11150177)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59499247

Ministry of Defence aims to double women recruits in military by 2030

The number of women recruits in the Armed Forces would be doubled and the male-dominated culture tackled, under plans from the Ministry of Defence.

The reforms are a response to a report from MPs on women in the military which included accounts of assault and rape. But the MoD did not accept a key recommendation in the report to remove cases of rape and sexual assault from military courts.

More than 4,000 women - veterans and those still serving - gave evidence. The Commons Defence Sub-Committee on Women in the Armed Forces published its landmark report earlier this year.

Conviction rates for rape in military courts are up to six times lower than civilian courts, the sub-committee said.

Under the reforms announced, the number of women recruits in the military would increase to 30% by 2030.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said almost 90% of the women who engaged with the MPs' inquiry "said they would recommend a career in the armed forces". But he conceded further change was needed, adding military leaders had "listened carefully and are implementing bold changes in response".

"Having tested the recommendations with our own service women's networks, we are embracing almost all of them - and in many cases actually taking them further," Mr Wallace added…….

The CAS has said that the RAF is aiming for 40% female recruitment and that we (the RAF) would drag Defence along with it.

Friedlander 2nd Dec 2021 22:01


Originally Posted by Mr N Nimrod (Post 11089882)
Would love to know how your female ‘friends’ would view this as they reminisce about those days

There are plenty of historical sites for stations where such reminiscences take place. Why don't you join some and ask the former members of the WRAF what they think?


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