Come the first hint of war one would assume the motorway system would grind to a halt full of people fleeing to parents / middle of nowhere etc... the best place to disperse them to would be Germany, so as to be closer to the front, shame they are demolishing all those lovely airbases we had out there, the other advantage is you would be fighting your rapidly intensifying war in someone else's playground. ;)
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Originally Posted by Koan
(Post 11082954)
F35 exhaust heat profile has been a problem for the USN probably burn holes in motorways with major FOD issues.
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
(Post 11083077)
I've spotted a few over the years. Best example is the A74(M) north of Lockerbie - next to the Lockerbie lorry park at Hanginshaw.
From the farm bridge at the south end to the start of the gentle right curve at the north is 2200m or 7200 feet with no obstructions and an easily demountable central wire barrier........... There are one or two others, but generally they don't design straight bits of motorway as it stops drivers falling asleep! |
Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11082958)
…most Tesco car parks would do, with hides in the drinks section..
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Have we got enough groundcrew and equipment to disperse to these places or is it going to be an extra bung to the AA or Green Flag.
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Has anybody told the Regiment about this new expeditionary warfare tactic? I'm sure we could just get the Army Reserve back in to do the FP if necessary :E
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We'll be alright in Norfolk then. No bl**dy motorways anywhere here....
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Simple question, where are all the logistics and manpower coming from? And as for closing a major road at no notice………. At best it will be watered down to all using the same airfield with, at best, a road painted on the runway and a few road signs.
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Good luck with fire cover,for one Capita have sacked/sacking most of the ex CS firefighters,and second i bet it was not in the contract so capita will charge for it.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11083000)
There's rumoured to be one on the A1 about 2 or 3 miles north of Woolfox Lodge disused airfield; fairly straight with taxiway leadon/offs which appear never to have been fully completed, otherwise you could always take a look at Cyprus for examples (x3).
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"There's rumoured to be one on the A1 about 2 or 3 miles north of Woolfox Lodge disused airfield;"
quite a few trees along the central reservation there |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11083213)
"There's rumoured to be one on the A1 about 2 or 3 miles north of Woolfox Lodge disused airfield;"
quite a few trees along the central reservation there |
The next time you land at Changi, have a good look out of the taxi window as you set off down the East Coast Parkway into town. A good long straight stretch, central reservation easily removable flower boxes, lamp posts not solid but screwed down to the ground, a few easily moved trees=an emergency runway.
There seems to be a similar straight stretch of road just to the west of Tengah and a possible but short stretch by Paya Lebar. Mind you, may not be needed with the F35B on order. |
Originally Posted by Dunhovrin
(Post 11083159)
Every VIFFle helps?
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At long last ..the M6 Toll may actually have a use ! I’m sure now that FlyBe/Stobart/et al there would be plenty of room at most of the regional airports. I’m sure they’d welcome the business. Out of interest, anybody remember when we last practiced this? |
Deja vu or what?
In V Force days we had c. 40 sites for 4 aircraft each, I seem to remember. Proper runways, and lots of them. |
The article - originally in The Telegraph - got ahead of itself by jumping on the old Jaguar video and The Drive went along with it.
Clearly any dispersal is going to be to former military airfields - attempting to be as covert as possible with a minimum visible footprint - or civilian airfields. I was the Project Officer the last time this was tried - 2 x Tornado GR1 in a simulated nuclear strike role - landed at dusk on a non-flying unit then in current military ownership - shut down on the waterfront in front of a vacant 1930s hangar - towed in rapidly - with tractor and parallel GSE towing attachment (as used for 2 in a HAS). Held at RS15 using a secure comms briefcase that converted a BT phone into a secure one. From release, was able to tow aircraft to waterfront with APU (with containment mod fitted) started inside hangar, start and get airborne well within 15 minutes. However, although all trades coverage was achieved within the 2 x 3-man launch teams, this would have been for diagnosis of any snags only - no spares on site. My conclusion was that you could completely disperse the UK-based Tornado GR1 Strike Force but to make it work properly you would need a new-buy logistics tail of C4I box bodies, 4-ton trucks, 5-ton trailers to put GSE on (like the Harrier Force did) and a larger spares pool - clearly unaffordable. |
RAF Fast Jets to Practice Dispersal Off MOBs
Linton, A168 parallel to rwy 34 at Dishforth, Church Fenton or Elvington to name a few Yorkshire possibilities.
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11082958)
Jumping bean needed 650ft x 28ft plus a barn or two to hide in - most Tesco car parks would do, with hides in the drinks section. Good luck with the present generation of FJ.
Mog You would be better choosing a largish shopping centre, food stores, alcohol stores, clothing stores, TV and electrical stores and a bedding store for accomodation, plus public toilets. .. |
Originally Posted by dctyke
(Post 11083189)
Simple question, where are all the logistics and manpower coming from? And as for closing a major road at no notice………. At best it will be watered down to all using the same airfield with, at best, a road painted on the runway and a few road signs.
I suspect the reality will be Leeming, Leuchars, and ISK. |
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