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Mil-26Man 14th Jul 2021 18:22

Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC.

Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAF’s Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?

Foghorn Leghorn 14th Jul 2021 20:19


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11078743)
Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC.

Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAF’s Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?

No, the CAF CAS contracts have all been decided and awarded. There will be more to come, but there’s nothing forthcoming unless it’s a bespoke contract.

Mil-26Man 15th Jul 2021 06:36

Top Aces was one of seven companies awarded the $6.4 billion CAF contract in 2019, along with Air USA, Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAC), Blue Air Training, Coastal Defense, Draken International, and Tactical Air Support.

Why are you saying they're not involved?

Foghorn Leghorn 15th Jul 2021 06:55


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11078946)
Top Aces was one of seven companies awarded the $6.4 billion CAF contract in 2019, along with Air USA, Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAC), Blue Air Training, Coastal Defense, Draken International, and Tactical Air Support.

Why are you saying they're not involved?

I didn’t say they’re not involved; read your post and my post carefully. The CAF CAS contracts have been awarded. Therefore, it might well have to be a new contract awarded to enable the Top Aces’ F-16 to fly in which case it’ll be competed. Top Aces do not have a contract for F-16 aggressor use.

melmothtw 15th Jul 2021 08:20

Why would getting a contract for F-16 Aggressor use be a problem for Top Aces but not for Draken?

Foghorn Leghorn 15th Jul 2021 09:02


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11079013)
Why would getting a contract for F-16 Aggressor use be a problem for Top Aces but not for Draken?

I never said it wouldn’t be a problem for Draken. I said they could alleviate some of their lines with F-16. I’m sure Top Aces could do the same, but the Draken operation out of Nellis is significantly large enough to soak up this alleviation/swapping out of aircraft for their F-16s. Further, as Draken support the Weapons School and the Flag exercises amongst others the F-16 would be a welcome addition.

Mil-26Man 22nd Jul 2021 04:51

More F-16s arriving for Top Aces https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/51000

DuckDodgers 25th Jul 2021 11:24


Originally Posted by Mil-26Man (Post 11078743)
Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC. Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAF’s Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?

Need to differentiate between Contract Award, basically an approved vendors list, that allows companies to compete at the Task Order level for each of the operating locations. As Foghorn Leghorn has already stated, the current competed 6 Task Orders have been awarded (3 x ATAC, 2 x Draken, 1 x Tac Air). It will be interesting to see if any of the reaming 6 are competed in Fiscal 22. Late 22/23 is also the withdrawal date of the last aircraft, when does the FTU close, circa 5 months give or take?

M609 2nd Dec 2021 17:43

The Norwegian Defence Material Agency stated today that they have sold 12 F-16 MLU aircraft to Draken Int.

They are pretty much identical to the Dutch jets.

Price is not stated.

DuckDodgers 3rd Dec 2021 07:14

Found elsewhere on the web.......
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d05cd57f1f.jpg

melmothtw 14th Sep 2022 07:58

Top Aces contracted to provide F-16-based training -


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