Patrouille Suisse? F-5E down
 

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20210...r-jet-crashes/

Look like a midair.

From the aviation safety link


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ca411c4523.jpg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8e2da7a063.jpg

https://www.20min.ch/story/kampfjet-...t-482515185952

Very dramatic images!

For what I understand it was not one of the aerobatic team.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ed950ec36.jpeg

Looks like it?

It was apparently an adversary for an F/A-18 on a training flight

It does, but I think the point is that it may have been a team painted aircraft but it was not necessarily flown on a team sortie or by a team pilot. One of the references says it was (effectively) an 'aggressor' sortie.

Edit: Timing!

Nice to see Suisse-7 (heli) and Suisse-8 (snowtrac) in the Team livery.

:)​​ good one
My understanding is that it was indeed a training flight unrelated to the aerobatic patrol.

The aircraft of the swiss military aerobatic team have a day job to display enemy aircraft for training purposes. This was when the red colored aerobatic team aircraft crashed.

The a/c looks remarkably intact! Did it ski-doo down the mountainside??

Those images could be screen grabs from a video.

They are indeed images from the video, and it did have a relatively soft landing, then slid down the mountain.

It must have set of its homing beacon then.. ;)

ejection
 

What is the orange pod on the belly? Tow target pod?

Agree with the remarkably soft landing/slide.

Just a fuel tank in high conspicuity colour.

Where's the video?!

I couldn't find a video as such but found the link below to the closest thing.

Looks like it may be images from a DSLR on high frame rate.

https://www.20min.ch/story/kampfjet-...t-482515185952

(Sorry, just seen same link in Back Door's post)

Mountain Wave?
 

Could this be the result of a mountain wave event?

subsonicsubic
 

I think you’re probably grasping at straws there. It’s not a game where you have to think up the most esoteric possible explanation to try to look clever.

For the record I would be truly astounded if mountain waves had anything to do with the crash.

Firstly, the weather looks completely clear (no hint of lenticular clouds, although I appreciate the narrow nature of the photos doesn’t rule it out). Secondly, a mountain wave is incredibly unlikely to cause a fast jet to suddenly stop flying.

Sorry if my reply appears to be a little blunt but I couldn’t help myself.

BV

You guys see the flames coming from one or two engines?

Less Hair
 

Yes. I had noticed the flames. Hence my assertion that the crash most likely had absolutely nothing to do with mountain waves.

In my book it would be a little bit like suggesting a crash over the sea might have had something to do with jellyfish.

If I am proven wrong I will gladly come back on here and admit my error.

BV

Mountain waves need long ridges, not sharp fangs.

For lenticular cloud to appear needs sufficient moisture and sufficient vertical amplitude of any wave.

I know nothing about accidents but a lot about mountain wave ........ William of Occam would suggest wave goodbye.

100% sure that mountain waves had nothing to do with it; not only from theories but from flying through and in them both with heavy and not so heavy metal, sailplanes and very occasionally paragliders.
Mountain Rotor is a different kettle of fish but wouldn’t break something like a fighter; again I flown into them sometimes out of necessity, but also accidentally and for « pleasure ».

Does this count as a kill for the F-18 ? The speculation about mountain waves etc. amuses .

Kill is a Kill!

Aircraft came down like a rock with zero horizontal speed.
Very unusual for an F-5 - even with both engines flamed out you can keep it flying at 250 KIAS in a 10-12 degree dive.
Either there was a massive engine explosion that took out the hydraulics to the rear of the aircraft, or the pilot manouvered it into some kind of (very) nose high attitude and ran out of speed.
With the elevation at around 7000' at the crash site maybe not enough altitude/time to recover once the nose came back below the horizon?

"Mountain Waves" can definitely be ruled out :-) :-) :-)

Glad the pilot is safe, even if slightly stirred!
BV, I'd not be so quick to discount that were it to involve Mogwi ..........
Happy daze! H 'n' H

Some pictures of the wreck recovery (they cut it in 3 parts and used a Puma to ferry).


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ed39b692d.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....08821faa68.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....73895b73f5.jpg

The Swiss F-5 fleet is apparently back in the air - so I guess we can rule out a technical problem :-)