RAF Pilot Training Pipeline
Are there still huge delays in the training pipeline - as highlighted by the BBC just over 2 years - or, are things getting better? For example, is it still a 2 year wait between IOT and EFT?
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Originally Posted by Sky Sports
(Post 11048008)
Are there still huge delays in the training pipeline - as highlighted by the BBC just over 2 years - or, are things getting better? For example, is it still a 2 year wait between IOT and EFT?
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I retired from the RAF in 1985, but I am still interested to read replies to the OP's question.
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Three weeks short of two years from attestation to the squadron. But that was a LONG time ago. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 11048015)
Are you applying? Or have you applied?
Its a genuine question for somebody who is about to join the pipeline. We were just curious how long his training might take compared to the lengths quoted in recent FOI's, BBC reports and NAO reports. |
Easy, I followed your link to the end of the thread and found that the OP - having not received an answer to his question, posed the same (polite) request on 31 December last year and still had no reply. I think he/she is being perfectly reasonable in asking the same question in an active thread. Neither you nor downsizer gave any helpful information.
I, too, have an interest in the answer - merely casual. I can't beat Herod's time (my attestation-to-first-Sqn took 2 years and 2 months), but at least I can claim to have been a Pilot Ossifer aircraft captain for the initial 4 months of my first tour. |
Originally Posted by Thud_and_Blunder
(Post 11048613)
Easy, I followed your link to the end of the thread and found that the OP - having not received an answer to his question, posed the same (polite) request on 31 December last year and still had no reply. I think he/she is being perfectly reasonable in asking the same question in an active thread. Neither you nor downsizer gave any helpful information.
If they are in the pipeline, they will know roughly what the times are, hence why the question? Is the OP a journo trolling for info? Those that do know the info probably shouldn't be posting it on here either.... |
Those that do know the info probably shouldn't be posting it on here either... |
Well like it or not, those serving are bound by rules on what they can say publicly and on social media (of which this is a type).....
I'm not saying that's right, but there are official channels for answering of questions like this.... And most, if not all of us, know the answer. |
Well like it or not, those serving are bound by rules on what they can say publicly and on social media (of which this is a type)..... |
Anecdotally, yes, it's still taking f@*#ing forever.
You can find multiple comments on Reddit, on TheStudentRoom, and other sites all attesting to the same fact; it's taking years to get going. 2 years to get from IOT to EFT is not uncommon, according to those sources. |
Originally Posted by beardy
(Post 11048647)
As you know there is a world of difference between military and commercial confidentiality. Disclosing information to the enemy is vastly different to disclosing information to the taxpayer. The former is against the public security and interest the latter is most definitely in the public interest even though it may cause embarrassment to the senior officers who instituted the changes that led to the current system. It is all too easy to hide behind 'rules.'
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Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 11048692)
Equally having been subject to a witch hunt about posts on here - that weren't disclosing information to the enemy - I'm acutely aware of what the policy on posting information is on the internet. But as you are probably out, you haven't read the DIN, and aren't subject to service discipline any longer.
It is outrageous that you as a public servant should be subjected to a witch hunt concerning posts that were immaterial to the Defence of the Realm. |
Originally Posted by beardy
(Post 11048647)
...the latter is most definitely in the public interest even though it may cause embarrassment to the senior officers who instituted the changes that led to the current system. It is all too easy to hide behind 'rules.'
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Originally Posted by beardy
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True I haven't read the DIN.
It is outrageous that you as a public servant should be subjected to a witch hunt concerning posts that were immaterial to the Defence of the Realm. |
Sky Sports - the last lot to finish Modular Initial Officer Training (MIOT, the new IOT), will be starting ground school in the summer and EFT in early autumn. The 2 year holds have gone a long time ago. However, the Integrated Review’s announcement of the removal of Herc, Puma and Sentry is bound to create some turbulence in the pipeline again. But seeing as no one seems to know the exact dates of these platforms going out of service, or when the new ones replacing them start, then it is next to impossible to predict right now. That is what happens when you have defence reviews every 5 years and pipelines of similar lengths - by the time you turn the tap off for people coming in, and you wait to notice the change, it is probably too late to turn it back on again (or vice-versa!).
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Originally Posted by Wrathmonk
(Post 11048745)
And there is a laid down system for that called the Freedom of Information Act. Simples!
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I’ll save you the conspiracy theories. These are genuine questions from the dad of a very sharp lad trying to join up. He’s keen, motivated and knowledgeable. A GOOD candidate.
why wouldn’t a dad wonder what was going on? |
Is the OP a journo trolling for info? Yes, the question has been asked before, but, because the post(s) were hijacked and no satisfactory answer given, it's been asked again. Secondly, the interview has been cancelled a number of times, so we're after the up-to-date info. Yes, we could have banged in an FOI request, but that would have wasted someones time in the MOD and it might not have come back in time. Thank you, to all the people who have private messaged us with the same answer. Things are looking up it would seem. Bad luck to all those who are desperate for MFTS to fail! There are 2 types of people on Pprune it would seem. Those willing to help the next generation and those who..... |
I’ll save you the conspiracy theories. These are genuine questions from the dad of a very sharp lad trying to join up. He’s keen, motivated and knowledgeable. A GOOD candidate. why wouldn’t a dad wonder what was going on? |
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