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NutLoose 3rd May 2021 21:05

Royal Marines trial jet packs for boarding vessels
 
I wonder if they will get wings?


https://youtu.be/suHOLFhbwsM


https://youtu.be/SoFlqIaDJ8U

Lima Juliet 3rd May 2021 21:48

More likely a good peppering of 12.7mm from a DShK, if they try a boat assault like that off the coast of Iran, Yemen or Somalia!

dash8driver 3rd May 2021 22:57

Looks impressive, but a short burst from a mp5 would take them all out in seconds unless they were suited in full body armour.

Then there’s the noise from those screaming jets......
No surprise attacks and no covert boardings.

probably some use if we could drop a pack or 2 for a downed crew to quickly put some distance between themselves and an approaching enemy.

Fitted With standard off the shelf drone circuitry I can see those “packs” being parachuted into a location to enable the self extraction / escape of a seal team.....suit up and press start...jetpack then automatically “returns home” or removes the “captured target” to his new home.

rescue uses in inaccessible locations ? How about parachute a medic and spare pack into a very remote bush or mountain area, have him suit up the injured party and deliver them to the ramp of a low flying herc ?

all sounds very James Bond right now but look at the advances in recreational drone technology recently , Given time the jetpacks will evolve to be quieter with better fuel burn, by then its uses will be limited by ones own creativity.




Buster Hyman 4th May 2021 04:18


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11038222)
I wonder if they will get wings?

They'd be better off with Red Bull Nutty.

Kiltrash 4th May 2021 05:30

Fed up with delivery delays, new secure way to pass on the Cap Comp trophy is trialed.

MPN11 4th May 2021 10:48

Plenty of negative comment, but this is just a trial using one convenient Patrol Vessel. IMO insertion onto the acres of deck of a super-tanker, or an offshore oil rig, would be a more likely operational scenario.

Duchess_Driver 4th May 2021 11:26

In principle this has many applications - as has already been stated - for SAR / Mountain Rescue there is a video on t’intereeb somewhere showing that exact application. Self extraction is also a plus point.

However, as I understand it, thrust vectoring by changing arm positions is how they’re controlled. Leaves a possible hostile boarding environment where the ability to defend oneself at the same time requires so “work”.

meleagertoo 4th May 2021 11:39

I wouldn't want to go swimming wearing one of those...

Background Noise 4th May 2021 11:39

Accept it is just a trial but add a bit of body armour and weaponry and I guess you'd need quite a bit more thrust and/or fuel. Switching rapidly from transit mode to fighting mode and back might also be an issue.

MPN11 4th May 2021 11:41

There was a feature article in Saturday’s Times magazine on the inventor.

sandiego89 4th May 2021 12:39

Incorporate one into an ejection seat, might be handy if you could fly away from the locals after your just delivered some democracy on them.....

Asturias56 4th May 2021 15:26

reminds me of an early RM trial of a hovercraft - I think "flight" put it brilliantly

"here is a photo of the Royal Marines practising sneaking up on a totally deaf Russian beach guard..."

NutLoose 4th May 2021 15:44


Originally Posted by sandiego89 (Post 11038554)
Incorporate one into an ejection seat, might be handy if you could fly away from the locals after your just delivered some democracy on them.....

The US tried to develop a seat at around the time of Vietnam that could deploy rotors and be flown away from the area.

Misformonkey 4th May 2021 16:01

I doubt anyone is going to be keen to sign off that safety case...MCT via traditional insertion is safe for a decade yet me thinks..

Asturias56 4th May 2021 16:03

They thought up a lot of bright ideas then - but retrofitting a seat with an engine, blades, electronics that could survive an ejection ......................... maybe in a B-52 or a Hercules.................

MPN11 4th May 2021 16:10


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11038676)
They thought up a lot of bright ideas then - but retrofitting a seat with an engine, blades, electronics that could survive an ejection ......................... maybe in a B-52 or a Hercules.................

... FB-111 ejection pod with deployable wings and an engine? And a map.

Ninthace 4th May 2021 16:22


Originally Posted by Background Noise (Post 11038531)
Accept it is just a trial but add a bit of body armour and weaponry and I guess you'd need quite a bit more thrust and/or fuel. Switching rapidly from transit mode to fighting mode and back might also be an issue.

But you would arrive on board with 3 blow lamps on each arm so you could give the bad guys a warm reception.

Thud_and_Blunder 4th May 2021 16:23

Good marketing by the individual concerned - a quick look at the BBC link shows that he's done it dressed as a paramedic and even a postie. Practical? At least after descending a rope you just have to shake off the gloves; trying to access anything while wearing that clobber (having attracted all that attention while inbound) means you're more likely to be used as a decoy while the other operators gain access by other means. If the target vessel is doing any kind of aggressive manoeuvring, you're far better off getting a Chinook (OK, OK - 2 Chinooks...) on the task.

NutLoose 4th May 2021 17:17


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11038676)
They thought up a lot of bright ideas then - but retrofitting a seat with an engine, blades, electronics that could survive an ejection ......................... maybe in a B-52 or a Hercules.................

Here you go, the patents

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3662978A/en


https://patents.google.com/patent/US3042347

http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5...-ejection-seat


Flying a jet fighter can be sometimes tricky, and in some cases, you may need to eject in order to save your life. The ejection seat technique dates back from 1945, and has since been improved to fit all modern jet fighters. But did you know that at some point, they thought about a flying ejection seat ? During the Vietnam War, the US Navy lost over 500 aircraft in combat, as a result of which nearly 200 aircrew became prisoners of war. Alongside them, the US Air Force suffered three times as many aircraft fosses. In every case there were aircrew who had either been killed, captured or were in need of rescue. And while rescuing aircrew from behind enemy lines was given top priority, the challenge was considerable. Dedicated USAF squadrons flying Sikorsky HH-3 ‘Jolly Green Giant’ helicopters, supported by heavily armed, piston-engined Douglas A-1 Skyraider attack aircraft, flew dangerous extraction missions, which, of course, put even greater numbers of aircrew at risk. This prompted the navy and air force to ask, ‘What if downed aircrew had the means to fly themselves back into friendly territory?’ Three different aircraft companies accepted the challenge of coming up with an answer. The results were worthy of a Transformers movie: ejection seats that, on firing their occupant out of a stricken aircraft, unfolded, extended and locked themselves into mini-flying machines. Bell Aerosystems suggested a jet-powered hang-glider that suspended the pilot, face down and still strapped to his seat, beneath it. Fairchild-Hiller also suggested a glider, but theirs was a sort of pop-up machine made of cloth stretched over a spring-loaded metal frame. My favourite is the gyrocopter designed by Kaman Corps. On ejecting, a two-bladed rotor unfurled above the pilot’s head, while a tail and a micro turbofan jet flicked up behind him. And the name given to this invention? Stowable Aircrew Vehicle Escape Roto-seat - or SAVER for short. How practical any of these ideas really were for aircrew disorientated and sometimes injured by the violent act of ejection itself remains a matter for conjecture as none, sadly, made it into service. But that they were dreamt up at all merits a hat tip to the creativity and ingenuity of aircraft designers - and to the importance that the USA attaches to bringing its soldiers home.

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FakePilot 4th May 2021 18:42

It occurred to me it might balance very naturally. Which ever direction you pitch in it's natural to put your hands out. Wonder if it works that way.


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