OOA during last year of service
Hi all,
Any admin gurus know the ins and outs of whether Manning (or whatever they're called this week) can send us OOA during the last year of service? I'm taking an option (20/40 point) and it was my understanding that we could not be sent OOA in the last 12 months but the career manager has other ideas.... Any advice gratefully received please! ST |
After 39 years of service and about to retire (6 weeks), I was sent to the Falklands :)
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ST
Is it possible that there is a difference between leaving at an option point and leaving via PVR?
Giving an OOA to someone when they PVR could be viewed as a punishment and would rightly risk sending someone into an operational theatre who wouldn’t be fully committed. Getting an OOA during your last year of natural service could just be seen as the natural order of things. I do not know this to be fact but I’m sure I recall hearing it somewhere. BV |
Ask Manning for the JSP that states they’re able to do this; it’ll be fairly cut and dry. I expect they can.
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AP3392 Vol2 Lflt 1511 is the badger you need. In particular paragraph 7b which states:
"Have more than 12 months to serve at the start of the proposed detachment, or more than 15 months to serve if the detachment is expected to be for a 6-month roulement" |
Originally Posted by OldnDaft
(Post 11027628)
AP3392 Vol2 Lflt 1511 is the badger you need. In particular paragraph 7b which states:
"Have more than 12 months to serve at the start of the proposed detachment, or more than 15 months to serve if the detachment is expected to be for a 6-month roulement" |
Presuming you are a sqn ldr or below you need to make sure that you are engaging with Manning at the correct level.
For routine exits with no other factors your 'releasing authority' is delegated down to the relevant DACOS Manning. However, this downwards delegation is an exception and for a contested exit / OOA your case would have to be handled by ACOS Manning as it is they that formally hold your release authority. In the highly unlikely event that this had both the blessing and the continued belligerence of ACOS Manning (rather than a mere DO being arrogant / ignorant / stupid) then your appeal would be handled at the first stage by COS Per. This would require a comprehensive casework pack-up and legal advice before moving forward. [AP3393 Vol 1 Ch 7] |
Of course, the other option is to do it and negotiate with your career manager something mutually beneficial. For example you could extend so that all of your POTL, ALA, GRT etc happens whilst you are “effectively” a civilian...
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great
(Post 11027765)
Of course, the other option is to do it and negotiate with your career manager something mutually beneficial. For example you could extend so that all of your POTL, ALA, GRT etc happens whilst you are “effectively” a civilian...
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
(Post 11027737)
Presuming you are a sqn ldr or below you need to make sure that you are engaging with Manning at the correct level.
For routine exits with no other factors your 'releasing authority' is delegated down to the relevant DACOS Manning. However, this downwards delegation is an exception and for a contested exit / OOA your case would have to be handled by ACOS Manning as it is they that formally hold your release authority. In the highly unlikely event that this had both the blessing and the continued belligerence of ACOS Manning (rather than a mere DO being arrogant / ignorant / stupid) then your appeal would be handled at the first stage by COS Per. This would require a comprehensive casework pack-up and legal advice before moving forward. [AP3393 Vol 1 Ch 7] |
Also a difference it seems if you part of an FU or IA. Though I suspect the OP is an IA if dealing w/manning.
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I wouldn't rely too much on an AP being 'clear-cut' - several years ago I had to take an issue all the way to 1 star because different levels of management interpreted the paragraphs in the AP in different ways.
RAF manning still treating people like crap it seems - if you are leaving for any reason you now don't need to be managed and can be shafted to free up a better slot for someone they are still trying to retain - glad to be out of it |
Originally Posted by Countdown begins
(Post 11027794)
Alfy, the beautiful Utopia that you mindlessly believe in does not exist! The desks have been told to play hard rules now. Do you have any relevant experience with RAF CM?
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