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Flyhighfirst 1st Mar 2022 17:33


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11192947)
I think the clue is in the word ‘peace’! There is no peace - it’s still an active war.

Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!

Tartiflette Fan 1st Mar 2022 17:45


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11192949)
Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!

If a suitable UN proposal for neutralising the Ukraine "Nazis" could be put forward, then it would deprive Vlad of one of his main propaganda weapons that he is using at home, if he then vetoed this motion; even better, it would only involve diplomats and words and no deaths.

Sts121 1st Mar 2022 17:45


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11192949)
Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!

i know and I get that, didn’t stop them having a vote anyway last week to apply diplomatic pressure. They even somehow got China to abstain. Whilst it’s clear the UN is toothless, partly because of the Russian veto, it doesn’t stop you using it as a tool to continue trying to isolate Putin, I know he doesn’t care and will veto everything put in front of him but as an aside to all the other stuff the world is doing I still wonder if it isn’t worthwhile to keep pushing votes. Even if you don’t stand a chance of winning one.


henra 1st Mar 2022 17:53


Originally Posted by Sts121 (Post 11192952)
Whilst it’s clear the UN is toothless, partly because of the Russian veto, it doesn’t stop you using it as a tool to continue trying to isolate Putin, I know he doesn’t care and will veto everything out in front of him but as an aside to all the other stuff the world is doing I still wonder if it isn’t worthwhile to keep pushing votes. Even if you don’t stand a chance of winning one.

I think it is a worthwile exercise. It puts pressure on China each time and I have the distinct feeling Xi is already feeling uneasy right now. And Xi is Vlad's last buddy who really counts. Keep up the pressure on Xi to position himself and see how long he keeps covering Vlad.

[email protected] 1st Mar 2022 17:56

Has anyone done an analysis of Putin's appearance and his health - we know he is vain and probably a Botox user but he looks puffy and unwell - the sort of result you see in cancer patients on steroids.

Is it possible this outrageous invasion has been prompted by his failing health and a desire to make his mark before he goes?

WB627 1st Mar 2022 18:00

The State Department briefing "their concern as to his mental health". A diplomatic way of saying he is a nutter and has lost it.


Video Mixdown 1st Mar 2022 18:09


Originally Posted by WB627 (Post 11192959)
The State Department briefing "their concern as to his mental health". A diplomatic way of saying he is a nutter and has lost it.

I wonder if he's reached the stage of issuing orders for units that are already wreckage to advance?

charliegolf 1st Mar 2022 18:10


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11192958)
Has anyone done an analysis of Putin's appearance and his health - we know he is vain and probably a Botox user but he looks puffy and unwell - the sort of result you see in cancer patients on steroids.

Is it possible this outrageous invasion has been prompted by his failing health and a desire to make his mark before he goes?

From the Telegraph, via Yahoo...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-reaso...044032496.html

CG

Fonsini 1st Mar 2022 18:21

Is there an official explanation as to why Poland went from “free MiG 29s, missiles, and bases to operate them from” to “nothing” in the space of 24 hours?

Are ANY free jets still on offer?

Flyhighfirst 1st Mar 2022 18:26


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 11192916)
Yea, I've been thinking that IFF has to be a bitch when both sides are using much the same equipment.

Just thinking out loud here, but fo get Warthogs - imagine what a few properly armed BUFFs could do to that 40 mile long convoy...

A few “Buffs” would just be smoking craters in some farmers field. Unless used in a standoff attack with cruise missiles out of range of anti air.

unmanned_droid 1st Mar 2022 18:28

re. non-delivery of fighters to Ukraine, I had read that there might have been some misunderstanding there. The way I comprehended the words had more to do with NATO forces flying NATO aircraft over Ukraine. Nothing about non-NATO forces flying the aircraft over Ukraine. I think if they had really gone back on it, there would be a media sh** storm going on, led by Ukraine.

MAINJAFAD 1st Mar 2022 18:30


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 11192905)
You know your stuff MJ.

You could also throw some of these in for Recce and nuisance attack (Drop on GPS if command link is jammed).

https://www.airbornedrones.co/delivery-and-transport/

A butt load of NVG needed as well.

peter we 1st Mar 2022 18:40

Ukraine conflict: Russia introduces Su-34 into fray



https://www.janes.com/defence-news/d...u-34-into-fray

[email protected] 1st Mar 2022 18:46


From the Telegraph, via Yahoo...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/five-reaso...044032496.html

CG
Thanks CG:ok:

Cat Techie 1st Mar 2022 18:57


Originally Posted by Fonsini (Post 11192971)
Is there an official explanation as to why Poland went from “free MiG 29s, missiles, and bases to operate them from” to “nothing” in the space of 24 hours?

Are ANY free jets still on offer?

Common sense that maybe not the wisest think to do? Attack from NATO land is not a wise thing to do.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 1st Mar 2022 19:58


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 11192991)
Common sense that maybe not the wisest think to do? Attack from NATO land is not a wise thing to do.

Meanwhile, in a spray-bay not far across the border, Ukraine "reserve aircraft" are drying off. Just needed a bit of a touch up before being put to good use.

saw an interesting aside on social media.
For those concerned that the general Russian population are not seeing what is going on, it has been suggested to go on TripAdvisor, find a Russian Hotel or Restaurant, and leave a "feedback" detailing what is actually going on at the front.
The business owner gets to see the review.

unmanned_droid 1st Mar 2022 20:04


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 11193018)
Meanwhile, in a spray-bay not far across the border, Ukraine "reserve aircraft" are drying off. Just needed a bit of a touch up before being put to good use.

saw an interesting aside on social media.
For those concerned that the general Russian population are not seeing what is going on, it has been suggested to go on TripAdvisor, find a Russian Hotel or Restaurant, and leave a "feedback" detailing what is actually going on at the front.
The business owner gets to see the review.


Don't look at the pictures people uploaded to red square, if google have left them there.

There will be no combat missions launched from NATO soil by Ukr. operated aircraft. Pretty obvious that there will be a way of working this properly. Confusion here seems to be from translation/comprehension. They'll have to land in Ukraine, re-arm and refuel. Launching from Poland fully armed would be taken advantage of by the Russians if seen. Regardless of actual intentions.

Darren_P 1st Mar 2022 20:25


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 11192983)

Ukraine conflict: Russia introduces Su-34 into fray



https://www.janes.com/defence-news/d...u-34-into-fray

It looks like it got a warm welcome;


Imagegear 1st Mar 2022 20:32

Interesting


HOVIS 1st Mar 2022 20:35

Plenty of Turkish Airlines airplanes passing through EU airspace to Russia. 😒


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