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pontifex 7th Mar 2021 12:02

The CB to restrict the roll rate was there for a purpose. Excessive roll rate can cause what is called "roll/yaw diversion". This will happen at high speed at low level (lots of air for the ailerons to work on!) Effectively the aircraft starts tumbling. Of course at high speed the aircraft will break up. This happened in front of the CinC when he was watching the years approval of the that year's display pilot (no names, no pack drill). The arrows pulled their C/Bs and got away with it. I suspect because they never flew at warp factor nine when thay were rolling. I was involved with the aftermath.

twinboom 7th Mar 2021 19:50

Divergence (not Diversion)

gzornenplatz 7th Mar 2021 21:23

The pocket rocket
 
Roll-yaw coupling was the recognized term

thrusts a must 8th Mar 2021 08:42

Roll/Yaw
 
I'm no TP but I remember alpha being significant. Grey matter excused, the limits on a 'twinkle' were 300-350 kts, S & L, 360 deg only.
The break up referred to earlier to DL was I believe during a vertical roll after a 6g pull up.
Lifts a gift

tartare 8th Mar 2021 09:42

I imagine it must have been a little uncomfortable physiologically rotating about an axis so quickly?
Aside from the eyeballs comment - during a twinkle roll was there any sense of red-out?
Trying to imagine the vectors - surely even with a g-suit, a little blood would travel headwards...?

Boeing Jet 8th Mar 2021 09:43

Watched the John Noakes Red Arrows video, does a C130 still accompany the Reds around the UK?

WB627 8th Mar 2021 12:03


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11003513)
Fuse 13. An electrical circuit limited aileron deflexion at higher speeds; with fuse 13 removed full aileron was available which increased the roll rate significantly - although it was more than sufficient with the fuse intact!

Yup that was it, they just pulled the fuse LOL


thrusts a must 8th Mar 2021 14:49

Tartar, No ‘G’ involved. (it was all over very quickly) Just had to brief pax to brace or helmets would thump the canopy. On reflection I think that the min speed may have been 350? long time ago
thrusts a must

mikemmb 8th Mar 2021 16:28


Originally Posted by thrusts a must (Post 11004589)
Tartar, No ‘G’ involved. (it was all over very quickly) Just had to brief pax to brace or helmets would thump the canopy. On reflection I think that the min speed may have been 350? long time ago
thrusts a must

....it’s a long time ago but seem to recall a stiff neck due to forcing head back in anticipation was an occupational hazard!


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