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EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 18:31

RAF Valley & Missile Practice Camps
 
A few of us are in the process of creating an online archive for all known aircraft movements at RAF Valley since 1941. The Station celebrates it’s 80th Anniversary this Year and this archive will become ‘live’ at some stage this Year. We are looking for anyone who has flown to Valley with logbook entries/photos, this includes Missile Practice Camps especially on the Javelin & early Lightnings BUT any visits are of interest. Screenshots from logbooks would be gratefully received and anecdotal stories/events. So with various lockdowns in force please have a look at your logbooks/albums. Please feel free to pass on this request. My email is [email protected]

CharlieJuliet 10th Jan 2021 19:30

Hi, Have some info on 5 Sqn MPC 23 Apr 67 to 9 May 67 will see what my log book says. I think I fired a Firestreak on28 Apr 68!!

Lomon 10th Jan 2021 19:31

Are the movement logs not already stored at the AHB?

EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 19:35

We’re chasing that one up but the Station ‘540’s are fairly vague, plus Practice diversions would not have been logged, STCAAME it would appear did not log any specific serial’s etc.

EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 19:39


Originally Posted by CharlieJuliet (Post 10965062)
Hi, Have some info on 5 Sqn MPC 23 Apr 67 to 9 May 67 will see what my log book says. I think I fired a Firestreak on28 Apr 68!!

All gratefully welcomed, mine was a 9G in Aug 89, textbook firing thankfully! Please send the details to [email protected]

BEagle 10th Jan 2021 19:54

Another aspect of RAF Valley's history:

In 1955, No 6 Joint Services Trials Unit was established at Valley as a lodger unit to undertake trials with the Fairey Fireflash air-to-air guided missile. As an air-launched beam-riding missile, the Fireflash possessed only a limited advantage over fixed gunnery and was destined to never achieve operational status. Intensive trials of the missile were however conducted with the redesignated No 1 Guided Weapons Development Squadron in 1957 with 10 modified Swift F7s acting as their carriers.

By 1957, the air-to-air guided missile, Fireflash, has started full-scale Service trials on the Swift 7. The purpose of these trials is both to work out the tactics for using air-to-air missiles and also to get practical experience in the handling of such weapons. In this way, the entry of the next air-to-air missile, Firestreak, for which substantial orders have been placed, would be made easier.

In 1957-59, the Swift made a name for itself in successful trials of the Fireflash (Sky Blue) air to air missile aboard specially configured, radar equipped Swift F7s at RAF Valley. As a result, some consideration was given to its possible use as a high level bomber destroyer but with the Lightning and Javelin on the horizon the idea was soon abandoned.
I think that the late Sqn Ldr John 'Farmer' Steele might have been on 1 GWDS?

ExAscoteer2 10th Jan 2021 19:56

My Late Father did a jet refresher on Meteors and Vampires with 202 AFS at Valley in August 1952. I believe he and my Mother had lodgings at Llanfair-yn-neubwll.

When I get my scanner up and running again I will scan his LogBook page and forward it to you.

EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 19:59


Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 (Post 10965082)
My Late Father did a jet refresher on Meteors and Vampires with 202 AFS at Valley in August 1952. I belief he and my Mother had lodgings at Llanfair-yn-neubwll.

When I get my scanner up and running again I will scan his LogBook page and forward it to you.

excellent, cheers

EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 20:02


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10965081)
Another aspect of RAF Valley's history:

I think that the late Sqn Ldr John 'Farmer' Steel might have been on 1 GWDS?

Many thanks Beags, as you mentioned Swift F7 XF115-124 were there for approx 18 months then flown to 23MU Aldergrove for scrapping!

Non Linear Gear 10th Jan 2021 20:03

Are you happy for your email to be passed about on facebook with requests for MPC for a certain RAF type? Admin for a group that threw 9Gs and Ls off from Valley. PM me if you are happy.

EXFIN 10th Jan 2021 20:04


Originally Posted by Non Linear Gear (Post 10965091)
Are you happy for your email to be passed about on facebook with requests for MPC for a certain RAF type? Admin for a group that threw 9Gs and Ls off from Valley. PM me if you are happy.

more than happy, cheers

Hot 'n' High 10th Jan 2021 20:31


Originally Posted by EXFIN (Post 10965019)
A few of us are in the process of creating an online archive for all known aircraft movements at RAF Valley since 1941. ... Screenshots from logbooks would be gratefully received and anecdotal stories/events.

Such a shame as I lost some phots for a transit up to BUTEC mid-1980 with 2 or maybe 3 Sea Kings for some Torpedo Trials with 810 NAS. I have a few on the helipad at Kyle but had a whole batch from the BUTEC ranges + our stopover at Valley - all sadly lost when pipe split and soaked loads of stuff years later.

Plonked in at Valley with them as a baby trainee erk (lowest-of-the-low .... but 3 rungs down) and got "misplaced" and ended up with the aircrew at the "feeder" for lunch. Was temp promoted to Midshipman H 'n' H by one of the aircrew to sign in. Should have booked in as Admiral H 'n' H - it was the only way I could have made it to Flag rank!!!

Eventually conned the Queen into giving me a real Commission - but got nowhere near Admiral ..... sadly! Too much time enjoying myself rather than climbing the greasy pole! Ah, happy daze! H 'n' H

Non Linear Gear 10th Jan 2021 20:38


Originally Posted by EXFIN (Post 10965093)
more than happy, cheers

I have mentioned. Many TEs in the world. Did you drive at Linton in 2002?

BEagle 10th Jan 2021 20:43

Apart from my Gnat, Hunter and Hawk courses:

22 Jun 75 Beaver AL1 XP811 Valley - Manston
27 Oct 77 Vulcan B2 XL361 Practice Diversion from Scampton
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV487 Wattisham - Valley after LLOLPIs in Wales
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV469 RTB Wattisham
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 Wx Div from Wattisham EX FLINTSTONE
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 RTB Wattisham
21 May 84 VC10 C1 XV108 Practice Diversion from Brize Norton

Haven't been back since! But I enjoyed Valley immensely!

ExAscoteer2 10th Jan 2021 21:01

I did a number of trips to Valley in the mighty Dominie - I'll need to dig my LogBook out.

MAN777 10th Jan 2021 21:06

GMP emergency diversion
 
I was crew on board G-GMPB BN Defender when we were training overhead Anglesey in July 2002. A suspected fuel leak forced us to make a rapid descent and unannounced emegency landing at Valley. It was weekend and I dont think the tower was manned ?
We taxied to the SAR ramp and was invited to an ongoing squadron BBQ after a few hours we were collected by MT and driven back to Manchester ! The aircraft stayed

CharlieJuliet 10th Jan 2021 21:20

Also fired a Winder on 21 Jun 73. Here are the only pics I've got of the Firestreak launch - sadly none of the Winder as I think that the Winder took out the Jindy!!! Often wondered if the controls went slack when the Jindy was shot down??

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ec802150f6.jpg

CharlieJuliet 10th Jan 2021 21:21

OOPs not sure why that came out twice - sorry!! Now fixed!

57mm 11th Jan 2021 08:59

KC and I claimed a Jindi in our trusty and infamous steed XV422,the one with a Jag silhouette.....

Fareastdriver 11th Jan 2021 09:30

I did my winching training at Valley when I was on my helicopter conversion course, or doesn't that count?

It was the week when Ian Smith declared UDI and immediately after the BBC news there was a tannoy ordering all the Rhodesian students to report to the Station Commander at 09:00 hrs the next morning

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 10:12


Originally Posted by Non Linear Gear (Post 10965116)
I have mentioned. Many TEs in the world. Did you drive at Linton in 2002?

I left the mob in ‘96, followed by 15yrs with Thomas Cook and 6 with Qatar Airways.

Cornish Jack 11th Jan 2021 10:13

FED - With that dateline,we may have 'shared' aircraft . I was back at Valley instructing then, but world affairs for us were more on the 'confrontation' with Indonesia - the training workload was very close to exhaustion level !

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 10:13


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 10965411)
KC and I claimed a Jindi in our trusty and infamous steed XV422,the one with a Jag silhouette.....

do you have a date please and Sqn?

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 10:16


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 10965437)
I did my winching training at Valley when I was on my helicopter conversion course, or doesn't that count?

It was the week when Ian Smith declared UDI and immediately after the BBC news there was a tannoy ordering all the Rhodesian students to report to the Station Commander at 09:00 hrs the next morning

the more the merrier, Valley’s rotary history from 1955 onwards is just as important as the fast jets, dates/unit/serial/type would be very useful, please send to my email address, Taff

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 10:18


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10965117)
Apart from my Gnat, Hunter and Hawk courses:

22 Jun 75 Beaver AL1 XP811 Valley - Manston
27 Oct 77 Vulcan B2 XL361 Practice Diversion from Scampton
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV487 Wattisham - Valley after LLOLPIs in Wales
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV469 RTB Wattisham
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 Wx Div from Wattisham EX FLINTSTONE
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 RTB Wattisham
21 May 84 VC10 C1 XV108 Practice Diversion from Brize Norton

Haven't been back since! But I enjoyed Valley immensely!

excellent, just what we need, many thanks Beags.

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 10:27


Originally Posted by CharlieJuliet (Post 10965151)
OOPs not sure why that came out twice - sorry!! Now fixed!

Excellent, would it be possible to send the photos to my email [email protected] . Was the winder on the F-4? If so do you have date/serial/unit please. Regards, Taff

Mogwi 11th Jan 2021 13:07

Copies of log-book sent.

Mog

BEagle 11th Jan 2021 15:09

EXFIN, sorry, I forgot to give you the squadrons!

22 Jun 75 Beaver AL1 XP811 Valley - Manston was from 669 Sqn AAC. Aircraft had flown in from Wildenrath to collect wedding presents! As I was on my way to a holding posting at Wildenrath (under care of Mogwi!), they gave me a lift from Valley back to Wildenrath via Manston.
27 Oct 77 Vulcan B2 XL361 Practice Diversion from Scampton (35 Sqn)
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV487 Wattisham - Valley after LLOLPIs in Wales (56 Sqn)
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV469 RTB Wattisham (56 Sqn)
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 Wx Div from Wattisham EX FLINTSTONE (56 Sqn)
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 RTB Wattisham (56 Sqn)
21 May 84 VC10 C1 XV108 Practice Diversion from Brize Norton (241 OCU)

Also some time in Dec 1980, I was flying a SAP from 63 Sqn RAF Chivenor leading the late Pete 'Stony' Stone (who sadly bought it in an RAFG Harrier prang in 1989, RIP mate) - he simulated a rapid fuel leak somewhere in North Wales so I diverted intending to take him to Mona. But it wasn't available, so instead we blasted into the Valley circuit scattering 4 FTS Hawks as we did so, then RTB'd Chiv to take a rather vexed call from Valley's duty QFI! I think it was probably on 8th Dec in XX219. Magic times at Heaven-in-Devon!!

Hot 'n' High 11th Jan 2021 15:28


Originally Posted by Hot 'n' High (Post 10965110)
Such a shame as I lost some phots for a transit up to BUTEC mid-1980 with 2 or maybe 3 Sea Kings for some Torpedo Trials with 810 NAS. I have a few on the helipad at Kyle but had a whole batch from the BUTEC ranges + our stopover at Valley - all sadly lost when pipe split and soaked loads of stuff years later.

The water must affected my memory as see I've done quite a few transits through Valley. Will e-mail the list! And now really quite concerned at just how shocking my memory is! :\


EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 15:58

Get that logbook out, a good cure for dementia!

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 16:01


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10965666)
EXFIN, sorry, I forgot to give you the squadrons!

22 Jun 75 Beaver AL1 XP811 Valley - Manston was from 669 Sqn AAC. Aircraft had flown in from Wildenrath to collect wedding presents! As I was on my way to a holding posting at Wildenrath (under care of Mogwi!), they gave me a lift from Valley back to Wildenrath via Manston.
27 Oct 77 Vulcan B2 XL361 Practice Diversion from Scampton (35 Sqn)
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV487 Wattisham - Valley after LLOLPIs in Wales (56 Sqn)
7 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV469 RTB Wattisham (56 Sqn)
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 Wx Div from Wattisham EX FLINTSTONE (56 Sqn)
12 Oct 82 Phantom FGR2 XV461 RTB Wattisham (56 Sqn)
21 May 84 VC10 C1 XV108 Practice Diversion from Brize Norton (241 OCU)

Also some time in Dec 1980, I was flying a SAP from 63 Sqn RAF Chivenor leading the late Pete 'Stony' Stone (who sadly bought it in an RAFG Harrier prang in 1989, RIP mate) - he simulated a rapid fuel leak somewhere in North Wales so I diverted intending to take him to Mona. But it wasn't available, so instead we blasted into the Valley circuit scattering 4 FTS Hawks as we did so, then RTB'd Chiv to take a rather vexed call from Valley's duty QFI! I think it was probably on 8th Dec in XX219. Magic times at Heaven-in-Devon!!

Many thanks, we have a photo of your PD with the VC-10, if you'd like a copy just drop me a PM with your email. Barging into the circuit reminds me of a 4ship i was on arriving at Coningsby in the old GR.1. The No.2 instead of shoving the wings forward on the break swept them back. Broke as 2 and landed as No.4!!!

diginagain 11th Jan 2021 16:02

03-Nov-92 Lynx AH7 XZ613 refuel Inbound from Aldergrove, departed for Wallop. Routed back in another cab via Blackpool.

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 16:05


Originally Posted by diginagain (Post 10965714)
03-Nov-92 Lynx AH7 XZ613 refuel Inbound from Aldergrove, departed for Wallop. Routed back in another cab via Blackpool.

Cheers, we have you already! 655 Sqn? Used to get loads in the good old days plus the Wessex on the N Ireland changeovers.

diginagain 11th Jan 2021 16:37


Originally Posted by EXFIN (Post 10965719)
Cheers, we have you already! 655 Sqn? Used to get loads in the good old days plus the Wessex on the N Ireland changeovers.

It was indeed! Changing-out an airframe to spread the hours across the fleet.

Yellow Sun 11th Jan 2021 16:57

1 Jan 1969 Varsity T1 WJ915 Gaydon - Valley - Gaydon Can’t remember why.
7 Mar 1969 Varsity T1 WF333 Gaydon- Valley - St Athan. Take pax to St Athan for UWAS Dining In Night.
8 Mar 1969 varsity T1 WF333 St Athan - Valley - Gaydon Return survivors from above.
6 Dec 1971 Vulcan B2 XM557 Ex Highwood deployed from Waddington due forecast weather, landed at Valley following Keltex in North Sea with Valley Gnats deployed ex Lossiemouth or Leuchars. One of 3 (?) Vulcans deployed, detachment operated from STCAMME
7 Dec 1971 Vulcan B2 XM609 Ex Highwood Valley-Valley
8 Dec 1971 RTB Waddington, probably courtesy of STCBS Hastings but not recorded.
29 Apr 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW410 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley
30 Apr 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW410 RTB Cranwell
10 May 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW416 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
29 Jun 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW368 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
3 sep 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW435 Final Nav Test Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
4 Jan 1979 Nimrod MR1 XV233 Search and Rescue Standby. Deployed from St Mawgan to Prestwick due Wx forecast 3 Jan. Launched late evening 3 Jan, due wx diverted to Valley on completion of task morning 4 Jan. Recovered St Mawgan 5 Jan. Read about it in “Out of the Blue - The Final Landing”

YS

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 17:09

Many thanks, do you remember which units/Sqns they were please. Taff

EXFIN 11th Jan 2021 17:10


Originally Posted by Yellow Sun (Post 10965766)
1 Jan 1969 Varsity T1 WJ915 Gaydon - Valley - Gaydon Can’t remember why.
7 Mar 1969 Varsity T1 WF333 Gaydon- Valley - St Athan. Take pax to St Athan for UWAS Dining In Night.
8 Mar 1969 varsity T1 WF333 St Athan - Valley - Gaydon Return survivors from above.
6 Dec 1971 Vulcan B2 XM557 Ex Highwood deployed from Waddington due forecast weather, landed at Valley following Keltex in North Sea with Valley Gnats deployed ex Lossiemouth or Leuchars. One of 3 (?) Vulcans deployed, detachment operated from STCAMME
7 Dec 1971 Vulcan B2 XM609 Ex Highwood Valley-Valley
8 Dec 1971 RTB Waddington, probably courtesy of STCBS Hastings but not recorded.
29 Apr 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW410 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley
30 Apr 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW410 RTB Cranwell
10 May 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW416 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
29 Jun 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW368 Land Away Navex Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
3 sep 1976 Jet Provost T5A XW435 Final Nav Test Cranwell - Valley - Cranwell
4 Jan 1979 Nimrod MR1 XV233 Search and Rescue Standby. Deployed from St Mawgan to Prestwick due Wx forecast 3 Jan. Launched late evening 3 Jan, due wx diverted to Valley on completion of task morning 4 Jan. Recovered St Mawgan 5 Jan. Read about it in “Out of the Blue - The Final Landing”

YS

Excellent, do you know the Units/Sqns please. Taff

Yellow Sun 11th Jan 2021 17:34

Varsities RAF Gaydon, 2ANS
Vulcan RAF Waddington, 101 Sqn; there were probably crews from 50 and 44 on the detachment.
Jet Provost RAF College Cranwell, 1 Sqn
Nimrod RAF St Mawgan, 42 Sqn

YS

Lima Juliet 11th Jan 2021 18:44

EXFIN

It sounds like you need a copy of the following book. It comes with a CD with pictures of all APCs with the Aircrew and their names that flew from STAACME. Goes through about 40 years of history.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....56fab52b9.jpeg

Hot 'n' High 11th Jan 2021 18:47


Originally Posted by EXFIN (Post 10965710)
Get that logbook out, a good cure for dementia!

Mmmm, dementia - or, in my case, absolute non-recall! As my poor Dad died @90 with severe dementia maybe I'm just way ahead of him on that score. But, to many who have known me over the years more likely "Ops normal! He's always bleeding clueless!" Sadly, I've no defence against that Charge, Me'lud! A fair cop!


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