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andytug 2nd Nov 2020 19:01

Ignoring all the crazy logistical issues for most of these:
B1-B
Vulcan, Victor and Valiant
Harrier
Buccanneer (for the low passes in ground effect :) )
And for complete lunacy, fit a Concorde with a couple of 303s in the wings and call it military!:)

Herod 2nd Nov 2020 19:50


And for complete lunacy, fit a Concorde with a couple of 303s in the wings and call it military!https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif
Or fit the bomb-bay

fitliker 3rd Nov 2020 01:54

Westland Lysander , with a quieter exhaust :)

msbbarratt 3rd Nov 2020 03:07


Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus (Post 10916095)
From what I know there's a few of them hidden that are airworthy. I bought the POH for the BlackBird and it's really interesting, very complex airplane. There is still some pages classified. And also the actual flight envelope is likewise, classified. my guess is FL 90 and M 3.6

I recall ages ago reading some work someone had done to calculate the top speed, came out at M3.4 so far as I can recall. The limiting factor is the compressor inlet air temperature, which increases with speed. Any faster than that and the air temperature profile throughout the compressor results in the latter stages getting hot enough to melt.

Of course, Reaction Engines’ helium cooled heat exchanger on their Sabre concept overcomes that general limitation. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if that pitches up in something hypersonic in the US.

ppet123 3rd Nov 2020 13:36

Aircraft I Like would to be still flying.
 
The Harrier gr9. Lightning. f4 phantom. vulcan. f14 tomcat. Mosquito.

Rocket2 3rd Nov 2020 15:51

Wasn't there a design for the Vickers Funbus as a bomber (& indeed a maritime patrol aircraft) both fitted with a bomb bay & disposable pods under the wings? If I recall in the bomber role it could have carried 40,000lb worth (or maybe more) of bombs. Get's my vote!

RVF750 3rd Nov 2020 16:23

I hate to say it, and sorry to be controversial, but none of the RAF's retired types were really world beating either by the time they were retired or even when introduced. The Eurofighter Typhoon is OK, as was the Lightning. Tornado, adequate. We'd have bene far better to buy a half dozen squadrons of F/A18s and upgraded to E/F models really. Could have deployed them on a carrier, and on land. A truly versatile aircraft. F15s are still better than the Eurofighter and they're 40 years old.

The Harrier was different, unique and specialised like nothing before or since. The Harrier II was a fine aircraft, once the wiring fires were sorted. But other than cost, we could have bought some A10s and had a far more potent beast.

Hate to say it, and credit where it's due, but the UK military industry really hasn't done something world leading since the Spitfire. Hope BAe's new baby kicks ass though!

BVRAAM 3rd Nov 2020 16:59


Originally Posted by RVF750 (Post 10918055)
I hate to say it, and sorry to be controversial, but none of the RAF's retired types were really world beating either by the time they were retired or even when introduced. The Eurofighter Typhoon is OK, as was the Lightning. Tornado, adequate. We'd have bene far better to buy a half dozen squadrons of F/A18s and upgraded to E/F models really. Could have deployed them on a carrier, and on land. A truly versatile aircraft. F15s are still better than the Eurofighter and they're 40 years old.

The Harrier was different, unique and specialised like nothing before or since. The Harrier II was a fine aircraft, once the wiring fires were sorted. But other than cost, we could have bought some A10s and had a far more potent beast.

Hate to say it, and credit where it's due, but the UK military industry really hasn't done something world leading since the Spitfire. Hope BAe's new baby kicks ass though!

Could you have written a more poorly balanced post?

When you say, "as was the Lightning," I presume you refer to the English Electric Lightning.

At the risk of every WIWOL on the forum hating me forever, no, it really wasn't 'ok' when put into historical context. It was neglected by the political class, and as a consequence it was out-classed by fighters capable of delivering RH weapons.
It had the potential, it just didn't have the investment and its IR weapons were old and dated - the later models of the AIM-9 in those days were a quantum leap in technology.

Maybe in the 60's, the Lightning really was top dog. When RH technology really started to pick up, anything that wasn't providing a similar capability was left behind.

Oh, and let's not even go there with regards to fuel...

Lyneham Lad 3rd Nov 2020 18:43


Originally Posted by RVF750 (Post 10918055)
Hate to say it, and credit where it's due, but the UK military industry really hasn't done something world leading since the Spitfire.

Canberra...

GeeRam 3rd Nov 2020 19:58


Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad (Post 10918121)
Canberra...

Quite.

And in its original carrier borne, strike role, Buccaneer.

Tashengurt 3rd Nov 2020 21:33


Originally Posted by RVF750 (Post 10918055)
I hate to say it, and sorry to be controversial, but none of the RAF's retired types were really world beating either by the time they were retired or even when introduced. The Eurofighter Typhoon is OK, as was the Lightning. Tornado, adequate. We'd have bene far better to buy a half dozen squadrons of F/A18s and upgraded to E/F models really. Could have deployed them on a carrier, and on land. A truly versatile aircraft. F15s are still better than the Eurofighter and they're 40 years old.

The Harrier was different, unique and specialised like nothing before or since. The Harrier II was a fine aircraft, once the wiring fires were sorted. But other than cost, we could have bought some A10s and had a far more potent beast.

Hate to say it, and credit where it's due, but the UK military industry really hasn't done something world leading since the Spitfire. Hope BAe's new baby kicks ass though!

Let's face it, the title of this thread might as well be " What age would you like to be again?"

H Peacock 3rd Nov 2020 21:53


Originally Posted by RVF750 (Post 10918055)
I hate to say it, and sorry to be controversial, but none of the RAF's retired types were really world beating either by the time they were retired or even when introduced. The Eurofighter Typhoon is OK, as was the Lightning. Tornado, adequate. We'd have bene far better to buy a half dozen squadrons of F/A18s and upgraded to E/F models really.

I beg to disagree! The Canberra was outstanding throughout its RAF service, and the PR9 better than many platforms in the specialised role of high altitude reconnaissance,.

autoflight 3rd Nov 2020 22:39

Mig 21would be a nice aircraft to return to service

Pugilistic Animus 3rd Nov 2020 23:09


Originally Posted by msbbarratt (Post 10917615)
I recall ages ago reading some work someone had done to calculate the top speed, came out at M3.4 so far as I can recall. The limiting factor is the compressor inlet air temperature, which increases with speed. Any faster than that and the air temperature profile throughout the compressor results in the latter stages getting hot enough to melt.

Of course, Reaction Engines’ helium cooled heat exchanger on their Sabre concept overcomes that general limitation. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if that pitches up in something hypersonic in the US.

In my adoration for Her I neglected any Ram rise...3.4 is still excellent
Thanks

4runner 4th Nov 2020 02:58


Originally Posted by BVRAAM (Post 10918065)
Could you have written a more poorly balanced post?

When you say, "as was the Lightning," I presume you refer to the English Electric Lightning.

At the risk of every WIWOL on the forum hating me forever, no, it really wasn't 'ok' when put into historical context. It was neglected by the political class, and as a consequence it was out-classed by fighters capable of delivering RH weapons.
It had the potential, it just didn't have the investment and its IR weapons were old and dated - the later models of the AIM-9 in those days were a quantum leap in technology.

Maybe in the 60's, the Lightning really was top dog. When RH technology really started to pick up, anything that wasn't providing a similar capability was left behind.

Oh, and let's not even go there with regards to fuel...

just because you don’t like what he said, doesn’t make it “unbalanced”. There’s a reason that no one bought the Lightning. There was an F-104 and the dispatch reliability of the Lightning was less than 70% at any given time.

BVRAAM 4th Nov 2020 09:44


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 10918326)
just because you don’t like what he said, doesn’t make it “unbalanced”. There’s a reason that no one bought the Lightning. There was an F-104 and the dispatch reliability of the Lightning was less than 70% at any given time.


I'm kind of glad the political class neglected it, to be honest.

The Phantom was a wonderful aeroplane and I don't think the Lightning, even if given all the money in the world, could have been close to being as capable and it would have undermined the case to buy the F-4.

Video Mixdown 4th Nov 2020 10:11


Originally Posted by Tashengurt (Post 10918215)
Let's face it, the title of this thread might as well be " What age would you like to be again?"

So true.
What Military Aircraft Would You Bring Back To Service?
None of them. They’re obsolete.

BVRAAM 4th Nov 2020 10:19


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 10918544)
So true.
What Military Aircraft Would You Bring Back To Service?
None of them. They’re obsolete.

Meh... Tornado GR4 is still relevant and would easily fit back in for the next few years in that hypothetical situation.

It wasn't that long ago that it was delivering good news to vile people.

ivor toolbox 4th Nov 2020 13:05


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10913258)
Priceless ! at last, the urban myth that has been around since 1949 has finally been debunked !..Who would have thunked prefacing GSA with RAF ( and some roundels here and there ) had nothing to do with the RAF ! ....:D

I seem to recall we had one at Halton, @1979 , they were also maintained at Syerston along with Air Cadets Barges and Kirby Cadets and the like.

Ttfn

Asturias56 4th Nov 2020 14:17

what's interesting is how many of the suggestions want to add/change things to the light of their life - armament, engines, electronics


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