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tucumseh 28th Aug 2020 18:50


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10872804)
they're buses not fighting vehicles at the the end of the day.

The Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle Mid-Life Upgrade, endorsed in 1999, frozen for some years and then given an ISD of 2010, was, I think, also termed the Warrior Lethality Improvement Programme. New, possibly 2-man turret, stabilised cannon, optics, better comms, better integration with dismounted soldiers, etc. One of the KURs was to have the ability to engage targets at 2000m at night (implying fighting), and the new cannon was to be adopted by FRES.

It isn't clear to me if this has been delayed over 10 years, or what is being talked about is a second MLU(!).

Old project management maxim. Don't modify a modification. Not set in stone, but a warning that certain standing risks WILL bite you, such as component unavailability and configuration control.

currawong 29th Aug 2020 00:28

Tanks are vulnerable to assets that are not always available.....

RAFEngO74to09 29th Aug 2020 00:38

Videos on the planned extensive Warrior Upgrades:




Asturias56 29th Aug 2020 17:04

"Have you looked at the cost of the current generation of APCs? They match the cost of an MBT"

Well a German MBT cost around $ 5.7 mm in 2007 and a Styker AFV cost $ 1.4 mm in 2003 - big difference - tho (as usual) the UK's Warrior upgrade programme looks as if it will cost a god awful fortune......

RAFEngO74to09 29th Aug 2020 19:05

Even the Foxhound Light Patrol Protected Vehicle (LPPV) - a battle taxi as opposed to a full-size Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) like Warrior - is around GBP 1M a piece - original order for 300 in 2010 for GBP 270M and a follow on 25 ordered in 2012 for GBP 30M.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_...tish_army.html

Willard Whyte 30th Aug 2020 15:12


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 10870648)

That's not big enough for Lt. Gruber.

esa-aardvark 30th Aug 2020 20:08

Having once, in a previous job, been introduced to the dial-a-nuke, I remain
of the (probably wrong) opinion that any serious central european conflict
will go nuclear round about day 3.

rudestuff 31st Aug 2020 08:48


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10872940)
Have you looked at the cost of the current generation of APCs? They match the cost of an MBT , thanks to the doctrine that the APC must carry at least a 40mm stabilized gun to fulfill its battle taxi role.
It does seem that all this gear is pricing itself out of the market, too expensive to buy, too complex to learn and too fragile to use.

APCs should centrate on defeating infantry: 20mm and miniguns/MK19. Leave the tank killing to the drones and helicopters.


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