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Lyneham Lad 20th Apr 2020 17:21

RAF planes await order to set off to collect PPE from Turkey
 
Article on The Guardian website this afternoon.

RAF planes await order to set off to collect PPE from Turkey


Three RAF planes waiting to pick up a shipment of 400,000 protective gowns and other equipment urgently needed for the NHS remain on the tarmac at Brize Norton because the kit has yet to be released by Turkey.

GeeRam 20th Apr 2020 18:51

A400 ZM416 currently is in decent about 30nm NW of Istanbul.

TCAS FAN 20th Apr 2020 18:58

If the A400 is “pre-positioning”, why does the other A400 and C17 not pre-position, if not to Turkey, possibly Akrotiri, unless UK gov does not believe that all the kit will be provided?

Out Of Trim 21st Apr 2020 03:24


Originally Posted by TCAS FAN (Post 10757151)
If the A400 is “pre-positioning”, why does the other A400 and C17 not pre-position, if not to Turkey, possibly Akrotiri, unless UK gov does not believe that all the kit will be provided?

Why would you send aircraft before their load is ready to be collected? They can still be used for other commitments until needed. ;)

TCAS FAN 21st Apr 2020 06:52


Originally Posted by Out Of Trim (Post 10757550)
Why would you send aircraft before their load is ready to be collected? They can still be used for other commitments until needed. ;)

Short flight to Istanbul, saving time on outbound positioning flights (are the loads not urgent?) and crews rested so that the aircraft could operate Akrotiri/Istanbul/Brize in a normal duty day.

cessnapete 21st Apr 2020 08:30

BA have flown multiple return trips to Shanghai with B777 bringing in PPE in Holds, and cabin loaded. Carry double LR augmented crew.
No layover, 2 hour turnaround and straight back. Gets the kit to the UK in 28 hrs.

deltahotel 21st Apr 2020 09:22

BA 777s (and 747s) have proper rest facilities on board.

Rheinstorff 21st Apr 2020 09:52


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10757780)
BA have flown multiple return trips to Shanghai with B777 bringing in PPE in Holds, and cabin loaded. Carry double LR augmented crew.
No layover, 2 hour turnaround and straight back. Gets the kit to the UK in 28 hrs.

And no shortage of crews available due to reduced levels of activity, which is a bit different to an Air Mobility Force that is still in heavy demand.

falcon900 21st Apr 2020 10:01

So why not have BA pick up the PPE from Turkey.....?

cessnapete 21st Apr 2020 10:09

Yes sorry, my post not meant as criticism of RAF. But the airline appears has more spare capacity and proven flexibility of operations, than the RAF, in respect of this urgent requirement.

Asturias56 21st Apr 2020 10:35

" Air Mobility Force that is still in heavy demand"

Doing what? Nothing is happening out there..............

Lyneham Lad 21st Apr 2020 10:58

Update in The Guardian.
Turkish PPE flight: only 'slim' chance goods will arrive in UK today

unmanned_droid 21st Apr 2020 11:06


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10757930)
" Air Mobility Force that is still in heavy demand"

Doing what? Nothing is happening out there..............

At least one A400M has been near Bristol on a number of evenings in the past week or so. Unmistakable sound.

Asturias56 21st Apr 2020 14:54

They seem to have been taking the opportunity to visit a number of civvie airfields - Luton as well..................

bunta130 21st Apr 2020 19:30


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10757930)
" Air Mobility Force that is still in heavy demand"

Doing what? Nothing is happening out there..............

Other than covering standing commitments in terms of resupplying garrisons and troops deployed.......and carting stuff around for NHS/aeromed etc. Pretty normal tasking, I'd say. Maybe a bit of trg too.....

Wycombe 21st Apr 2020 22:47

ZM416 just airborne from Istanbul by the looks as RRR4995

Dockwell 21st Apr 2020 23:56


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 10757780)
BA have flown multiple return trips to Shanghai with B777 bringing in PPE in Holds, and cabin loaded. Carry double LR augmented crew.
No layover, 2 hour turnaround and straight back. Gets the kit to the UK in 28 hrs.

Virgin are doing the same 3 x a week with a 787

sangiovese. 22nd Apr 2020 07:45


Originally Posted by Dockwell (Post 10758648)
Virgin are doing the same 3 x a week with a 787

Virgin were doing it 19 days before BA even got slightly organised...

Del Prado 22nd Apr 2020 07:58

C-17 just departed that direction though I’m not sure of destination.

falcon900 22nd Apr 2020 10:06

At the risk of sounding cynical, is the use of the RAF for this task not just a PR stunt to make it look like the Government are pulling out all of the stops?
In truth the deployment of a military aircraft fo the trip to Turkey probably made it marginally more difficult from an administrative perspective, and the task could easily have been completed by the civilian airfreight sector, which is demonstrably still operational and effective if the fruit (South America) and vegetables (Africa) in my fridge are anything to go by.
Come to think of it, would it not be better to outsource the procurement of PPE to Tesco/Asda/Sainsburys who seem to be able to manage their supply chains rather well?
Ps Interesting that NHS Scotland managed to charter a 747 to bring in a load of PPE in to Prestwick at the weekend.


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