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THANK YOU
Originally Posted by Radgirl
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I think we are getting well away from reality. The Nightingale is needed because London is getting the surge. Modelling is an educated guess but suggests a massive influx in London needing this extra capacity. As has been said, patients deteriorate slowly, there is no need for urgent transfer, and the use of aircraft is pure posturing
I am very pleased that the UK is doing something, albeit far too late. It boosts morale to see lots of soldiers moving boxes, although I note the boxes have ordinary surgical masks that offer no protection. Meantime hospitals already getting patients which are full of aerosol-ed virus and where the doctors and nurses are themselves at risk of infection STILL await the promised deliveries of PPE. We have been waiting over a week. We had just one delivery.....of ordinary surgical masks. :ugh: I like many others have been buying up stock from hardware shops etc. Absenteeism due to isolation or actual disease is massive and means we cant even staff the volume of work we normally do. We should be prioritizing protection for the dwindling number of doctors and nurses who have patients now before moving PPE to a building that wont be receiving for days thank you! Thank You!! THANK YOU!!! |
Islandlad: I'll second that. This is the NHS we never really believed we had. We were wrong
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Totally an utterly agree, THANK YOU
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What they said....
Simply put: THANK YOU! |
Originally Posted by higthepig
(Post 10730855)
Perhaps they know more about it than you do?
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It was only a couple of weeks ago a pair of Puma Helicopters were in South Wales published in the news by South Wales Police as conducting a joint exercise. Flying around Cardiff and various other locations doing landings here and there. Anyone join the dots up on these goings on?
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Chief Nursing Officer England Ruth May - EXCEL
BBC TV Interview Sunday morning live from the Excel London. Specifically to you, your colleagues and teams:
thank you! Thank You!! THANK YOU!!! Can't be said enough! |
They may need to fly critical care patients to other areas, if the ICU beds in London are overwhelmed. The issue with COVID-19 is that the critical care patients can need 2-3 weeks on a ventilator-which means once you are hooked up, then it can be unavailable for that time.
I saw the French shipping ICU patients to Germany yesterday. The Italians were medivacing patients by helicopter to other parts of the country too. |
It was only a couple of weeks ago a pair of Puma Helicopters were in South Wales published in the news by South Wales Police as conducting a joint exercise. Flying around Cardiff and various other locations doing landings here and there. Anyone join the dots up on these goings on? |
Originally Posted by Treble one
(Post 10732175)
They may need to fly critical care patients to (or from) other areas
Maybe. |
Out of sheer curiosity, nothing else, have the normal restrictions on operations at LCY been relaxed to allow normally non-approved aircraft/aircrew (ie RAF) to operate there, or has there been a transfer of responsibility of operating at the airport been made from the licence holder to, say, the MoD?
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...lled-hqxpzxtpj
London’s Nightingale coronavirus hospital to be mothballed London’s Nightingale hospital is to be mothballed, as the NHS announces plans for clinics aimed at rehabilitating coronavirus survivors. Staff have been told that the site will not accept any more patients and will instead be “placed on standby”. The hospital was set up in the Excel conference centre in east London to provide up to 4,000 additional intensive care beds for Covid-19 patients should a surge of cases overwhelm the capital’s existing facilities. Since its official opening on April 3 it has not needed to treat more than 40 patients at a time. NHS chiefs said that it would remain ready in case of a potential second spike in cases. They also announced that Headley Court in Surrey, a Ministry of Defence rehabilitation facility during the Iraq war, would become the first NHS Seacole centre. It will provide temporary rehabilitation for patients recovering from Covid-19 as well as those who have been in hospital for routine treatment........ |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10772597)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...lled-hqxpzxtpj
London’s Nightingale coronavirus hospital to be mothballed London’s Nightingale hospital is to be mothballed, as the NHS announces plans for clinics aimed at rehabilitating coronavirus survivors. Staff have been told that the site will not accept any more patients and will instead be “placed on standby”. The hospital was set up in the Excel conference centre in east London to provide up to 4,000 additional intensive care beds for Covid-19 patients should a surge of cases overwhelm the capital’s existing facilities. Since its official opening on April 3 it has not needed to treat more than 40 patients at a time. NHS chiefs said that it would remain ready in case of a potential second spike in cases. They also announced that Headley Court in Surrey, a Ministry of Defence rehabilitation facility during the Iraq war, would become the first NHS Seacole centre. It will provide temporary rehabilitation for patients recovering from Covid-19 as well as those who have been in hospital for routine treatment........ |
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t... It could have been a sh*tstorm of a disaster if they hadn’t put the facility in place, better to have excess beds than insufficient and people dropping like flies. My view is thank God it wasn’t needed and thank God it was available.
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Spanish flu 1918-1919, Hong Kong flu 1968-1969., Swine flu 2009 - Second waves were worse than the first.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish...ave-resurgence https://www.britannica.com/event/Hong-Kong-flu-of-1968 http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com...-greater-first |
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t... It could have been a sh*tstorm of a disaster if they hadn’t put the facility in place, better to have excess beds than insufficient and people dropping like flies. My view is thank God it wasn’t needed and thank God it was available. They also announced that Headley Court in Surrey, a Ministry of Defence rehabilitation facility during the Iraq war, would become the first NHS Seacole centre. It will provide temporary rehabilitation for patients recovering from Covid-19 as well as those who have been in hospital for routine treatment........ "Come on sir, more effort - get those knees up" "I'm sorry corporal, I'm a little stiff from rugby" "I dont care where you come from sir - get those knees up"! |
Meanwhile, on a small Island near France, our local £14m, 180-bed, version is opening imminently.
Apparently the General Hospital is running at 39% occupancy, and the curves here are certainly flattening ... https://www.worldometers.info/corona...annel-islands/ However, as Nutloose said earlier ... You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
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You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t... It could have been a sh*tstorm of a disaster if they hadn’t put the facility in place, better to have excess beds than insufficient and people dropping like flies. My view is thank God it wasn’t needed and thank God it was available.
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Remember that the temporary hospital facilities give the NHS a buffer so that hospitals can resume normal operations. There will undoubtedly be a rise hospital admissions as well once lockdown restrictions are eased so it’s good we have them in reserve.
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'RAF Nightingale' closed. London City reopened.
The 26th of March 2020 seems like another country. |
"It was a PRexercise in showing they could do it, ultimately planned for use next winter if needed"
Racedo - sometimes you really allow your skepticism to go crazy - it was necessary (just like the Chinese hospital built in a week) IN CASE the NHS was overwhelmed. My friends in parts of Italy & Spain tell some awful stories of what it was like when local hospitals came close to collapse. Patients stored in operating theatres, corridors, canteens, garages...................... Sure it cost money but it was a very wise precaution - and having done it once they now know exactly how to do it better, faster, cheaper next time |
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