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safetypee 8th Mar 2020 12:24

2020 QRA vs Bears
 
Bears still going 50+ years.
Several changes in that time, the latest shown in recent photos.
Third photo taken from below, a lower fuselage appendage with a hole; also note that the top of the fin protrusion is forward opposed to the other aircraft to the rear.
ELINT plus tanker support ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-51789577

Lyneham Lad 8th Mar 2020 12:28

Six RAF jets intercept Russian aircraft heading for Scottish coast
 
Just read this on the Beeb's website. Six Typhoons in the air on a Saturday!

Six RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept Russian aircraft as they approached British airspace, the Ministry of Defence has said.

The Russian bombers were tracked heading towards the north-west coast of Scotland on Saturday.

It prompted the air force to deploy three pairs of Typhoons from its Quick Reaction Alert programme.

Two pairs left from RAF Lossiemouth in Moray, while the third flew from RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire.

Flying in formation, two pairs approached the aircraft before withdrawing, while the third pair forced them to change course.

meleagertoo 8th Mar 2020 12:37

I was wondering about that white appendage under the fuselage too.

Anyone got ideas?

ORAC 8th Mar 2020 12:40

BEAR J - TU-142MR -- The TU-142MR was a further modification of the Tu-142M used for submarine communication relay. This allowed national command authorities and strategic missile-carrying submarines to communicate. The underfuselage search radar has been removed, and the aircraft is equipped with an underfuselage winch pod for a several kilometer long trailing wire antenna.


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HAS59 8th Mar 2020 12:41

Bear J
 
The one you refer to is a version of the Tu-142. There are around 12 of these Tu-142MR Bear J aircraft. They deploy a long wire antennae from the housing below the fuselage used for submarine radio relay missions. They are more easily identified by the forward facing 'pod' on top of the tail. Not to be confused with the similar aft-facing MAD boom on the later Bear F MPA variants.

he he he ORAC beat me by seconds ...

unmanned_droid 8th Mar 2020 13:28

Looks like these guys were also picked up by RNoAF F16s and the first Norwegian F35 QRA intercept. In those images the Bears had Mig-31 Escort.

Dan Winterland 8th Mar 2020 13:34

IIRC< that trailing antenna could be 20km long! Which is why we had to identify the type before manoeuvring through their centreline.

racedo 8th Mar 2020 14:01

It is good of the RuAF to provide training opportunities for QRA.

Always wonder why they don't send 4 and then do a double dispersal, would give everybody a busy day.

weemonkey 8th Mar 2020 14:35


Originally Posted by Dan Winterland (Post 10706746)
IIRC< that trailing antenna could be 20km long! Which is why we had to identify the type before manoeuvring through their centreline.


Nicely worded Dan. ;)

Just a spotter 8th Mar 2020 16:40


Originally Posted by safetypee (Post 10706692)
Bears still going 50+ years.
Several changes in that time, the latest shown in recent photos.
Third photo taken from below, a lower fuselage appendage with a hole; also note that the top of the fin protrusion is forward opposed to the other aircraft to the rear.
ELINT plus tanker support ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-51789577

From The Irish Times, 8th March 2020


Two unidentified military aircraft entered Irish airspace on Saturday when British RAF fighters scrambled to intercept Russian bombers off the northwest coast of Ireland, aviation authorities have confirmed.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...tion-1.4196696

JAS

Lima Juliet 8th Mar 2020 17:50

Some video footage on Twitter. Good to see the solitary pilot has to formate in autopilot and film with a handheld video camera! :eek:


ShyTorque 8th Mar 2020 17:55

Interesting that the very distinctive sound of the Bear could even be picked up by the camera inside the jet!

Lordflasheart 8th Mar 2020 19:41

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Which is why we had to identify the type before manoeuvring through their centreline.
From distant memory of learned explanations in Aviation Week, the 707 TACAMO had two trailing wires - 19000 and 29000 ft.

The idea was that the aircraft flew in tight circles at high level while one wire excited the other and the longer one had much of its length hanging vertical - something to do with getting the correct polar diagram for VLF comms with deep submerged subs.

During early testing, the 160 KIAS tight circles at high level caused the wire to wrap itself round the back end of the 707 which caused a bit of alarm.

But the trailing wires probably had a better kill range than the BEAR tail gunner, if you needed to get within range of either. Unless he now has access to SDAAM.

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sycamore 8th Mar 2020 20:02

LFH,actually it has a loudspeaker on the end,so if you get the height correct it can `dip`,a technique invented by missionary Nate Saint,lowering trinkets to the aborigines in the S American jungle.They can now `shout` to the sub,and await replies from the Engineer tapping on the hull with a big spanner.....

Lordflasheart 8th Mar 2020 21:34

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Naaah Sycamore !! ... You're confusing that with the WWI anti U-boat programme for spraying green paint on the surface of the 'oggin so it obscured the lens of Herr Kapitan's periscope, in the hope that he didn't realised he'd surfaced and kept ascending until he was high enough to be shot down by a Biff or Ninak.

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TEEEJ 9th Mar 2020 15:36


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10706764)
It is good of the RuAF to provide training opportunities for QRA.

It is good, but those Bears are Russian Navy.

Imagegear 9th Mar 2020 16:02

Shades of Red October in March

IG

A_Van 9th Mar 2020 16:03


Originally Posted by TEEEJ (Post 10707862)
It is good, but those Bears are Russian Navy.

That's correct. Tu-142 belong to Navy, while Tu-95 - to AF.

Strange to see that such flights are being discussed since they are quite routine since 60's. Here in Russia they are called "flights for a corner". This is because the planes first go straight northbound and then (after leaving behind Norwegian waters on the left) make a 90+ deg left turn to North Atlantic.

racedo 9th Mar 2020 22:51


Originally Posted by TEEEJ (Post 10707862)
It is good, but those Bears are Russian Navy.

Point taken but bet QRA teams love this.

Tankertrashnav 10th Mar 2020 00:48


Flying in formation, two pairs approached the aircraft before withdrawing, while the third pair forced them to change course.
Gosh, just think, if they hadn't been intercepted they would have flown straight into our airspace, maybe even attacked Oban! What a load of tosh, but par for the course from so-called defence correspondents in the media these days.


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