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NutLoose 5th Feb 2020 17:05

Anyone want a Victor bomber, FREE to a good home
 
The only problem is they won't post it, so you will need to dismantle and collect it.

See

https://aviationheritageuk.org/news/...aft-available/

weemonkey 5th Feb 2020 18:33

Dare one ask why?

MPN11 5th Feb 2020 19:39

History is now so ‘yesterday’?

I assume this is a Gate Guardian airframe? I don’t know Marham.

NutLoose 5th Feb 2020 20:23

Yes.....the other one now at risk as well is the LAST Beverley that is sitting at Fort Paul that has sadly closed due to a death.

camelspyyder 5th Feb 2020 20:30

There are 4 other complete Victors, at Duxford, Cosford, Elvington and Bruntingthorpe.

I expect they'll scrap this one.

NRU74 5th Feb 2020 20:37


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10680369)
Yes.....the other one now at risk as well is the LAST Beverley that is sitting at Fort Paul that has sadly closed due to a death.

The RAF Museum ought to bid for the Beverley having allowed the last one at Hendon to virtually disintegrate before saving a chunk of the flight deck - which is at Newark.

ShyTorque 5th Feb 2020 20:41

Dismantle it? Can't they just hop it over the fence, like the one that almost did at Bruntingthorpe?

Easy Street 5th Feb 2020 21:00


Originally Posted by weemonkey (Post 10680262)
Dare one ask why?

IIRC, stations are only entitled to maintain one ‘gate guardian’ at public expense. Marham has three, and (like all military establishments these days) has a plethora of issues to address with its domestic infrastructure. A lot of time and energy has been put into keeping the Victor presentable over many years but there is only so far that voluntary effort can take preservation without the injection of cash. And the arrival of F-35 has (rightly) made access to the Station much harder, with enthusiasts mostly limited to the excellent off-camp Heritage Centre. If, as I suspect, it is a question of money then it’s an easy decision to get rid. People first.

weemonkey 6th Feb 2020 00:28


Originally Posted by Easy Street (Post 10680402)
IIRC, stations are only entitled to maintain one ‘gate guardian’ at public expense. Marham has three, and (like all military establishments these days) has a plethora of issues to address with its domestic infrastructure. A lot of time and energy has been put into keeping the Victor presentable over many years but there is only so far that voluntary effort can take preservation without the injection of cash. And the arrival of F-35 has (rightly) made access to the Station much harder, with enthusiasts mostly limited to the excellent off-camp Heritage Centre. If, as I suspect, it is a question of money then it’s an easy decision to get rid. People first.

People first.

Of all the things to say,...I am gobsmacked.

People first.

is just another of those worthless platitudes.

Easy Street 6th Feb 2020 00:51


Originally Posted by weemonkey (Post 10680541)
People first.

Of all the things to say,...I am gobsmacked.

People first.

is just another of those worthless platitudes.

Okay then: “People, ideas, machines - in that order.” That’s from John Boyd, who is not often noted as having offered worthless platitudes. But the message is the same.

Meanwhile all the air marshals’ grand plans for growing the RAF truly are worthless unless more people can be trained and retained, as no less a figure than the Secretary of State has recognised. Fixing leaking roofs and unreliable heating and hot water systems in on-base accommodation is rightly being seen as a part of that effort.

Tankertrashnav 6th Feb 2020 01:03

This has been much discussed on the "Victor, Valiant and Vulcan" page on Facebook. The aircraft is a K2 and is apparently in poor condition. I know the former chief tech who was in charge of dismantling the aircraft and moving it to its current position in front of SHQ on the old parade square back in the 80s and he is of the opinion that moving it again would be impractical. It's not even much use as a display cockpit as the interior was gutted at the time of the move. Andre Tempest who own one of the two taxiable K2s (at Elvington) has come up with a few figures for crane hire etc which any purchaser would have to come up with, and they are considerable.

To call the aircraft a "gate guardian" is a bit of a misnomer, as it is not visible to the public from outside of the base - a couple of years ago I had to get the MOD guard at the barrier to promise not to shoot me before he allowed me to walk a few yards onto the base before I could get a half decent photo!

As stated there are already two excellent survivors which do "fast taxis" (and in the case of the one at Bruntingthorpe a very short flight on one memorable occasion!) In addition there is a static display K2 at Cosford, and the IWM at Duxford are currently doing a very through restoration of the only surviving Victor Mk I which is in fact technically a B1K2P (two point tanker conversion). Frankly I don't see that getting rid of this heap of scrap would be any great loss - any money which would need to be spent would be far better going to the upkeep of the other survivors.

jolihokistix 6th Feb 2020 02:46

TTN, "had to get the MOD guard at the barrier to promise not to shoot me before he allowed me to walk a few yards onto the base before I could get a half decent photo!"

Pretty please, with rare sugar on it.

Dan Winterland 6th Feb 2020 06:26

When it was moved there in 1986, the Victor only had a short projected life. However, as with most types at the time, the in service life was extended and after a while it became apparent that the aircraft with the lowest Fatigue Index was the gate guardian! Plans were made to get it back on line, but these came to naught when it was realised how difficult a task this was. A couple of buildings had been erected since and these would need to be demolished. But it was a useful source of spares and frequently it was seen with some component or other missing.

CAEBr 6th Feb 2020 07:54

Does anyone have any information on ownership of the airframe. It has previously been noted as 'privately owned' on loan to RAF Marham. Has the owner passed away leaving Marham with the responsibility ?

treadigraph 6th Feb 2020 09:42

I have a recollection of what is presumably now the RAF Museum's Valiant being visible close to the Downham Market/Swaffham Road first time I went past about 40 years ago.

NutLoose 6th Feb 2020 10:17


Originally Posted by Easy Street (Post 10680402)
IIRC, stations are only entitled to maintain one ‘gate guardian’ at public expense. Marham has three, and (like all military establishments these days) has a plethora of issues to address with its domestic infrastructure. A lot of time and energy has been put into keeping the Victor presentable over many years but there is only so far that voluntary effort can take preservation without the injection of cash. And the arrival of F-35 has (rightly) made access to the Station much harder, with enthusiasts mostly limited to the excellent off-camp Heritage Centre. If, as I suspect, it is a question of money then it’s an easy decision to get rid. People first.

I would be interested in where your cut off point exists, The BBMF, perhaps The Reds, heck why not simly flog off the F-35 fleet, that will bring in lots on nice monies to maintain the peoples first, in fact you wouldn't need the base at all after that, even more nice savings....
Flogging off ones history and aircraft is not the solution to piss poor management and piss poor funding in getting the infrastructure right in the first place...
You watch the services budget squandering billions on failed projects such as Nimrod through piss poor management and contracting when a small proportion of that funding would have brought the RAF infrastructure up to a standard the 21st century demands.
Selling off the married quarters etc was a classic example of a cash generating scheme that proved to have been flawed in so many ways.

NutLoose 6th Feb 2020 10:25

Re the BEVERLEY
.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/heri...ale-1-10226857

Vendee 6th Feb 2020 10:37


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10680557)
I know the former chief tech who was in charge of dismantling the aircraft and moving it to its current position in front of SHQ on the old parade square back in the 80s .

Bugger, there was me thinking that it came in steeply over the airman's mess and with some firm braking managed to pull up just before SHQ. Another myth shattered :E

Mil-26Man 6th Feb 2020 10:51


IIRC, stations are only entitled to maintain one ‘gate guardian’ at public expense. Marham has three, and (like all military establishments these days) has a plethora of issues to address with its domestic infrastructure. A lot of time and energy has been put into keeping the Victor presentable over many years but there is only so far that voluntary effort can take preservation without the injection of cash. And the arrival of F-35 has (rightly) made access to the Station much harder, with enthusiasts mostly limited to the excellent off-camp Heritage Centre. If, as I suspect, it is a question of money then it’s an easy decision to get rid. People first.
Silly question I'm sure, but beyond the occasional lick of paint what maintenance does a gate guardian actually need?

NutLoose 6th Feb 2020 11:00

Cut the grass around it.


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