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Lyneham Lad 10th Jan 2020 14:49

USA approves Singapore to buy up to 12 F-35B stealth fighters
 
On Flight Global. Seems like the Singaporeans are going to join the F-35B fan club. ;)

From the article:-

The US State Department approved a possible Foreign Military Sale of up to 12 Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II stealth fighters to Singapore for an estimated $2.75 billion.

The Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency says that it notified the US Congress on 9 January.

Asturias56 10th Jan 2020 15:05

Seems a bit OTT but it will give them a capability well beyond anyone else in the region guess

sandiego89 10th Jan 2020 15:21

Although I understand the attractiveness of the B for dispersed operations (Singapore uses highway fields etc.) I would have bet on the A for them.

Lonewolf_50 10th Jan 2020 15:44

Likewise, SD. I wonder if they got a real good price and intend to work the 'interopability with USMC' and 'interopability with UK' angle as a reason for the B versus A decision?

Asturias56
They can afford them, as some others can't, so perhaps their idea is "why not go leading edge if you can afford it?"

Asturias56 10th Jan 2020 16:28

They take an Israeli view as to the benefits of technological edge. It's hard to see what sort of tactics you can have when you're on a small island tho..................

Lookleft 10th Jan 2020 22:10


It's hard to see what sort of tactics you can have when you're on a small island tho...............
You mean like having your big guns pointed at the sea when the threat is coming from the landside. I think the Singaporeans are well aware of the limitations of their geography and understand the need for the latest equipment. They have operated the F15 for years so the F35 is a logical upgrade. If the US offered the F22 they would probably have bought them.

megan 11th Jan 2020 05:42


It's hard to see what sort of tactics you can have when you're on a small island tho...............…
Is the UK classified as a small island? :p

Asturias56 11th Jan 2020 08:03

If the buckets of instant sunshine start flying its a very small island indeed..........................

Asturias56 11th Jan 2020 08:05

"I think the Singaporeans are well aware of the limitations of their geography"

yes - they must curse the British for not arranging to buy a few more islands to the south from the VOC in the 19th century

dctyke 11th Jan 2020 08:38


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10659810)
If the buckets of instant sunshine start flying its a very small island indeed..........................

........... and a very small planet!

Gnadenburg 11th Jan 2020 12:14


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10659262)
It's hard to see what sort of tactics you can have when you're on a small island tho..................

Perhaps they think they'll lose their runways pretty quickly?


China's missile program is arguably the most active in the world and has provided the PLA with the ability to launch hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles at air bases and other critical targets in Taiwan, Japan, or the Philippines. - RAND
The Chinese ship most of their oil and much of their trade through the Malacca Straits. Although they are a long way off securing their maritime routes, allied air bases along the Malacca Straits should be considered prime targets for the PLA's IRBM's and ALCM's.

peter we 11th Jan 2020 13:42


Originally Posted by Lookleft (Post 10659544)
You mean like having your big guns pointed at the sea when the threat is coming from the landside. I think the Singaporeans are well aware of the limitations of their geography and understand the need for the latest equipment. They have operated the F15 for years so the F35 is a logical upgrade. If the US offered the F22 they would probably have bought them.

The Singaporean F-15's are permanently based in America, aren't they? Having them based in Singapore would be pointless because they would immediately lose their runway in a real war. Hence the choice of the B because there would be a realistic chance of operating in wartime.

MPN11 11th Jan 2020 14:20

Oh, how the World has moved on. I flew with the Singapore Air Force in (69/70) in one of their (2/3) Cessna 172s ... that was the inventory! And conducted OJT with their first 2 Mil ATCOs.

And look at Tengah Airbase now, on Google Earth, compared with what it used to be in my days.

From little acorns, etc. etc. :ok:

TEEEJ 11th Jan 2020 19:19


Originally Posted by peter we (Post 10660114)
The Singaporean F-15's are permanently based in America, aren't they? Having them based in Singapore would be pointless because they would immediately lose their runway in a real war. Hence the choice of the B because there would be a realistic chance of operating in wartime.

The vast majority of RSAF F-15 and F-16s are based at airbases in Singapore. Only part of their F-15/F-16 fleet are US based.



F-15s Paya Lebar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paya_Lebar_Air_Base

F-16s Tengah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengah_Air_Base

NutLoose 13th Jan 2020 05:50

I wonder if they are busy painting out the Turkish markings as we speak.

Mil-26Man 13th Jan 2020 07:20


Seems a bit OTT but it will give them a capability well beyond anyone else in the region guess
Except the Koreans, Japanese and Australians.


I wonder if they are busy painting out the Turkish markings as we speak.
Unlikely, the Turks were buying F-35As. This approval is for F-35Bs.

Asturias56 13th Jan 2020 08:37

"Except the Koreans, Japanese and Australians."

They're all 300-4500 kms away and not even the most gungho LM fan reckons an F-35 can make those distances. Plus I doubt the Singaporean's worry about them.

Their priorities are Malaysia, Indonesia and maybe Thailand - I don't think they want to get into a face-off with China

Buying the B model not only gives them dispersal options but also allows them to cross-operate with a range of other navies if they want to.

Mil-26Man 13th Jan 2020 08:55

I didn't say they were neighbours or potential adversaries, but that they are in the same region. And if Australia is close enough for Singapore to base a shed load of its tanks there and New Zealand close enough that Singapore wanted to base a shed-load of its jets there, then I would say that Korea and Japan are close enough to be described as being in the same region also. No?

To your other points, yes.

ORAC 13th Jan 2020 09:05


"Except the Koreans, Japanese and Australians."

They're all 300-4500 kms away and not even the most gungho LM fan reckons an F-35 can make those distances. Plus I doubt the Singaporean's worry about them.
And all three have an AAR capability, as does Singapore.


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