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CAEBr 15th Sep 2019 18:37

What will 32 Sqn do ?
 
Looks like the days of the 146 in RAF service are numbered. Remains to be seen when and - more importantly - if they be replaced with a permanent type or covered by a leased airframe as and when needed.

https://www.janes.com/article/91234/...6s-up-for-sale

pr00ne 15th Sep 2019 19:23

Read the article, it says that there is no intention to dispose of the aircraft or evens state an out of service date, this is merely a "market testing" exercise to determine possible future demand.

Which I suggest will be ZERO...

VinRouge 15th Sep 2019 21:25


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10570727)
Read the article, it says that there is no intention to dispose of the aircraft or evens state an out of service date, this is merely a "market testing" exercise to determine possible future demand.

Which I suggest will be ZERO...

I disagree... the recycling market would be able to do great things.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0bb713ede.jpeg

Methinks someone at MoD May be worried about a Corbyn government perhaps?


Warmtoast 15th Sep 2019 22:10

Coincidently there's a program on the box (Ch 5) next Friday 20th September at 20.15 entitled 'Secrets of the Royal Flight'

Meester proach 16th Sep 2019 04:39

Can’t see any demand

Davef68 16th Sep 2019 09:05

There were rumours earlier in the year about replacement aircraft - Airbus A220 was mentioned.

Mil-26Man 16th Sep 2019 09:50

MoD said to be exploring leasing of four Gulfstream G550s

chevvron 16th Sep 2019 10:29


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10571113)
There were rumours earlier in the year about replacement aircraft - Airbus A220 was mentioned.

Yes; after its appearance at Farnborough 2018, I was told by 'a person in the know' about plans to replace the '146s with A220s and posted it here but no-one else had heard.
Before this and before I retired from Farnborugh in 2008, the rumour was that 'Blair Force One' (using A320s) would at least operate in/out of Farnborough if not be based there (Farnborough's runway having longer approach lighting and declared distances plus Cat 1 ILS and IRVR on both ends) with the addition that in the new hangar complex then being built (now complete), one third had been reserved for an 'undisclosed' customer.
G550s are an alternative but a 15 year old design; could they operate from Northolt's shiny new runway though, especially if as rumoured, the LDA will be reduced? That 'soft' arrestor bed might get a bit more use anyway.

Rigga 16th Sep 2019 15:52

I’m told the 146 is still popular in Oz...

chopper2004 16th Sep 2019 16:07


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10571181)
Yes; after its appearance at Farnborough 2018, I was told by 'a person in the know' about plans to replace the '146s with A220s and posted it here but no-one else had heard.
Before this and before I retired from Farnborugh in 2008, the rumour was that 'Blair Force One' (using A320s) would at least operate in/out of Farnborough if not be based there (Farnborough's runway having longer approach lighting and declared distances plus Cat 1 ILS and IRVR on both ends) with the addition that in the new hangar complex then being built (now complete), one third had been reserved for an 'undisclosed' customer.
G550s are an alternative but a 15 year old design; could they operate from Northolt's shiny new runway though, especially if as rumoured, the LDA will be reduced? That 'soft' arrestor bed might get a bit more use anyway.

Thinking of what you said re Gulfstream G550 , am sure USAFE and USAF AMC C-37A do land at Northolt occasionally.

Cheers

chevvron 16th Sep 2019 16:29

Course when the beancounters tot up the cost of the re-surfacing, they could declare Northolt too expensive to operate and close it; they did it at Bovingdon: re-clad the 4 hangars then closed it next year.

VinRouge 16th Sep 2019 18:20

I expect someone will be keen to get whatever contract is available signed whilst we have a Tory government (just about). If mssr Corbyn gets in, not a chance a “VIP” jet will get signed off due to the politics of it.

Once commercial agreements are in place, a long-required replacement will be almost impossible to turn around.

chopper2004 16th Sep 2019 18:43

Mexico
 

Originally Posted by VinRouge (Post 10571493)
I expect someone will be keen to get whatever contract is available signed whilst we have a Tory government (just about). If mssr Corbyn gets in, not a chance a “VIP” jet will get signed off due to the politics of it.

Once commercial agreements are in place, a long-required replacement will be almost impossible to turn around.

Or purchase 2nd hand from across the pond. The Mexican President is flogging off his own fleet which includes Boeing 787 Dreamliner, few Gulfatream G3/4, odd BBJ etc etc plus Airbus Helicopters AS332L1 (they also had SA330H Pumas as well) . Unit is not aprt of the air force but counted as they part of E.T.A.P.E.F or Estdado Preicdencia Mayer ...used to be known as the UTAPEF in my day as I dealt with them. The Mexican President also has his own armed protection force, I am led to believe separate from the rest of the armed forces.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...migration-deal

For a not so wealthy country, the Mexico probably comes close to their northern neighbor with large DV fleet.

Cheers


pr00ne 16th Sep 2019 21:09

Driving past Northolt as I do most days, before the runway closure there was always an impressively large number of the larger Gulfstream and Bombardier Business jets parked up, so I don't think there is an issue with them operating from there.

chevvron 16th Sep 2019 22:26


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10571603)
Driving past Northolt as I do most days, before the runway closure there was always an impressively large number of the larger Gulfstream and Bombardier Business jets parked up, so I don't think there is an issue with them operating from there.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the CAA is insisting the declared distances are reduced for civil aircraft

NutLoose 16th Sep 2019 22:35

The 220 is the Bombardier?, snapped the dash 300 after it was painted in Airbus colours, quite a big aircraft,

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e8cd1942_c.jpg
A220-300 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr

Knowing the way the MOD works I am surprised they never bought these lol

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airbus-...607970333.html

Wander00 17th Sep 2019 13:30

At a slight tangent, was there a historical link that meant TQF got the 32 Sqn numberplate?

pr00ne 17th Sep 2019 13:38

Wander00,

As it was the only Comms squadron left when TQF disbanded at Benson there was no other choice. 207, 60, 26 and 21 Squadrons having all been disbanded.

WASALOADIE 18th Sep 2019 11:31


Wander00,

As it was the only Comms squadron left when TQF disbanded at Benson there was no other choice. 207, 60, 26 and 21 Squadrons having all been disbanded.
60 were re-roled as a SH Squadron with Wessex at Benson, then Griffin and now Juno/Jupiter at Shawbury

chopper2004 23rd Sep 2019 18:35

Wessex HCC4
 
Laughingly or not went for a visit to Hendon, so it was nice to see red Wessex HCC.4 clean and pristine inside Hangar 3/4/5 ....

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ba5ea1ed97.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d6acbf916.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7f230aca4e.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....94ffaad7c3.jpg


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