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Fonsini 8th Sep 2019 19:19

Canberra overflights of the USSR
 
I understand the need for OpSec but the flights of 540 Sqn Canberras over Kapustin Yar are now a piece of history yet still officially denied by HM Gov. Seems such a pity that we can’t discuss it even 60 years later, the flight that was hit by 23mm cannon shells yet still photographed the objective and then continued on to Iran would be stirring stuff to read about.

For what it’s worth if any of the crews are reading this you have my absolute respect, especially the navs who found that launch site with nothing more than a pencil, a compass, and a stopwatch. Incredible feat really.

bspatz 8th Sep 2019 21:16

Back in the early 60s as a schoolboy I went into the ASF hangar at Laarbruch, with my father who was OCASF, and saw a Canberra with the canopy painted white on top. This was presumably to reduce solar glare when flying at height. My father suggested that I ought not to have seen this aircraft and not to mention it. I have always wondered what it was and which sqn operated it, presumably not 540 which had disbanded by then. Can anybody enlighten me?

air pig 8th Sep 2019 22:14


Originally Posted by bspatz (Post 10565162)
Back in the early 60s as a schoolboy I went into the ASF hangar at Laarbruch, with my father who was OCASF, and saw a Canberra with the canopy painted white on top. This was presumably to reduce solar glare when flying at height. My father suggested that I ought not to have seen this aircraft and not to mention it. I have always wondered what it was and which sqn operated it, presumably not 540 which had disbanded by then. Can anybody enlighten me?

Try this site:

https://spyflight.co.uk/operations/

Asturias56 9th Sep 2019 08:58

I'm sure there are people in the MoD who are still upset that the victory at Waterloo and Trafalgar were announced to the press..................

Jackonicko 9th Sep 2019 09:28


Originally Posted by bspatz (Post 10565162)
Back in the early 60s as a schoolboy I went into the ASF hangar at Laarbruch, with my father who was OCASF, and saw a Canberra with the canopy painted white on top. This was presumably to reduce solar glare when flying at height. My father suggested that I ought not to have seen this aircraft and not to mention it. I have always wondered what it was and which sqn operated it, presumably not 540 which had disbanded by then. Can anybody enlighten me?

I would say that what you saw was almost certainly one of the four B.Mk 6 (Mod) aircraft (also known as B.Mk 6RC) used by No.51 Squadron, which had exactly that canopy mod, and that frequently operated from Laarbruch for their SIGINT flights into the Baltic. You might have noticed an extended nose - initially 'pointy' like a pencil, and like the T11/19, and later blunt and round-tipped.

[IMG]http://www.simplyplanes.co.uk/images...quadron_42.jpg[IMG]
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....58ba977a4c.jpg

dragartist 9th Sep 2019 10:00

There is quite a lengthy thread on here about this not long ago. Try a search. It included contributions from those involved.
long before my time but I do remember people on 51 recalling the tensions of the crews prior to some missions from Watton.

dragartist 9th Sep 2019 10:06

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...ia+overflights

here you go. I think this was the original thread

chevvron 9th Sep 2019 10:59


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 10565439)
I'm sure there are people in the MoD who are still upset that the victory at Waterloo and Trafalgar were announced to the press..................

Not to mention the British Army snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against the Americans at Chalmette on January 8 1815, neither side knowing a peace treaty had already been signed in Ghent on Dec 24 1814.

Asturias56 9th Sep 2019 15:23

these things happen in the best run shops........ that's why email was invented...........

But I presume in Roman time sit was worse - it took weeks to get a message from Rome to Carlisle.......

bspatz 9th Sep 2019 19:15

I am sure this is what I saw, so thanks for solving a query that has been at the back of my mind for some time

LoeyDaFrog 9th Sep 2019 22:11

These Might Help...
 
I've read a couple pieces that touch on this...
Operation 'Robin' and the British overflight of Kapustin Yar: a historiographical note
or
Lashmar, Paul. Spy Flights of the Cold War. Stroud: Sutton Publishing, 1996.

hope they are of use...

tartare 9th Sep 2019 22:49

Was reading through the original thread posted above - and surprised to see speculation that the PR Mk9 have flown as high as FL58!
What would the crew on those flights have worn - given aircraft was pressurised - just the Taylor helmet and the pressure jerkin - or would you have needed a full pressure suit given that time at altitude?

Buster Hyman 10th Sep 2019 07:25

I was only just watching this short video on the subject...



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