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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10551215)
Here is one example of a US Military F-4 weapons array.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/e1...b4ea151cf9.jpg JAS |
Originally Posted by Treble one
(Post 10551744)
Fascinating stuff. Just one question. Did we not have our own 'Special weapons' by the early 70's (was thinking Red Beard/ WE177 that would probably pair with a Phantom). Didn't the Buccaneer carry Red Beard prior to WE177 in the nuclear strike role in the 70's/80's?
Cheers TO PS Would the US allow a Non US controlled nuclear weapon on a US built aircraft? |
Q on the FGR2 at Brueggen '70 to '73 was definitely the US-controlled device.
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Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10551286)
What is the heaviest weapon load ever that an F-4 carried?
Edit: I have thought a bit more about this fit. We definitely had the 3 tanks and 4 x 1000 lb bombs but probably did not have the missiles, and if we did just the Skyflash. My logbook doesn't state the actual load so this is just from memory. |
Jaysus.
That's 30 tons. What a jet... |
The US B43 special weapons provided under the dual key US/UK Project E dual-key arrangement for RAFG Phantom FGR2s had previously been used by the RAFG Canberra B(I)8s up until June 1972 until there were replaced by the Buccaneer with WE177.
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Thank you Timelord and RAFEng. I knew these weapons were used with the Canberra, but did not know about the Phantom.
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Originally Posted by Timelord
(Post 10551834)
I think that the F4 in the ground attack and strike ( nuclear) role was only ever “interim” awaiting the arrival of the Jaguar +WE177 after which the F4 s all went air defence. That being the case it would not have been worth the considerable effort of integrating WE177 and the US kindly provided their weapons under, I presume, the same dual key procedures as the Canberras which preceded the F4s. PS Would the US allow a Non US controlled nuclear weapon on a US built aircraft? |
Originally Posted by Timelord
(Post 10551834)
PS Would the US allow a Non US controlled nuclear weapon on a US built aircraft? |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10551286)
What is the heaviest weapon load ever that an F-4 carried?
I remember reading a paperback some years back I believe was called "Phantom over Vietnam"? Anyway, it was written by a Marine F-4 pilot about his experiences and he mentioned a configuration he called "Super Bomber". You took one F-4, put a MER on the centerline and both outer pylons, a TER on both inner pylons, loaded them all up with MK82 slicks for a total of 24 bombs, and prayed she'd get off the ground! Supposedly only REALLY experienced pilots were allowed to fly the airplane configured like that cuz they were an absolute beast to fly. |
A Wessex or Sea King?
I pray it was a teeny weeny very extremely low yield device....as otherwise the Pilot and Crew would have to be wearing white head bands as they committed ritual suicide! |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10552875)
A Wessex?
I pray it was a teeny weeny very extremely low yield device....as otherwise the Pilot would have to be wearing a white head band as he committed ritual suicide! https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....37a3392a47.jpg They fitted one to a Wasp too.... https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d168463879.jpg |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10552119)
Jaysus.
That's 30 tons. What a jet... Ttfn |
Originally Posted by Chris Kebab
(Post 10551496)
....flown by equally remarkable chaps:ok:
Ttfn |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10552875)
A Wessex or Sea King?
I pray it was a teeny weeny very extremely low yield device....as otherwise the Pilot and Crew would have to be wearing white head bands as they committed ritual suicide! |
Buccaneer was 63,000LB if memory serves me right. Re: USMC F-4 (3MERs, 2 TERs config).......A manual bomber in an F-4 with 24 MK-82s actually had a chance of hitting something for a change. :} (The USAF in VN had a 3 or 5 SUU-23 config on some F-4Ds. :eek: Now that's a gunfighter.) https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9c2bb55cc8.jpg |
I met an RAF pilot who flew, in the USA, with 5 suu. He told me that it was heavy and when he fired all 5 at once it nearly stopped.
Some may remember Black Fergie 😁 |
The jury-rigged wiring for that 5 SUU config was left somewhat less than fully documented and mysterious. We got one of those aircraft handed down to the Reserves. I believe the wing guns went thru the DCU wiring for the nuke.
I fired the center-line SUU-23 on the range one day and a LAU-88 w TGM from an inboard station jettisoned at the same time. First thing I asked was, "How many hits?" primarily to substantiate for the record that I had only the CL gun selected and correctly so. Range officer said "45 hits......plus one skip hit". (I should clarify the F-105 comment. It only maxed out around 54,000 lbs.....but handled like it weighed 70,000) |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 10551425)
One of the underwing tanks could be the modified version used to carry photoflash for night time operations. Not sure how widespread that was, but you can see it on this pic of XV406 (which was the Recce trials aircraft, so carries the pod and modified tank in spite of being with 111 at the time)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7a8659467e.jpg Cheers |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 10553788)
Photo flash?? Thought that was 1940s era not 70s/80s....and use likes of LLTV and Infra Red as the US applied widely during Vietnam conflict ...
Cheers -RP |
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