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US threatens to withdraw troops from Germany
https://www.dw.com/en/us-threatens-t...any/a-49959555
US threatens to withdraw troops from Germany |
"The US says it might pull out some troops from Germany" is what it says - and they're only going to move them to Poland -which when you think of it makes sense - the German deployment is a 1980's hang-over (plus Poland will be cheaper to base)
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The US have 35.000 troops in Germany and might move around 5000 to the east.
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Plenty of space available at ex USAF bases in the UK.
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Very good idea to move them to Poland. Definitely in line with the NATO restraint promised to the Russian at the fall of the wall... |
5000 are more of a tripwire instead a threat. Bit like the US Berlin Brigade back then.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 10541719)
5000 are more of a tripwire instead a threat. Bit like the US Berlin Brigade back then.
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Tripwires assume that somebody, or something, will take a fall?
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No, just set off a Claymore pointing towards them.... |
Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 10541717)
Very good idea to move them to Poland. Definitely in line with the NATO restraint promised to the Russian at the fall of the wall... |
"That promise was broken long ago."
And seeing what Russia has been up to in Georgia, the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine it is also totally obsolete. |
5000 troops is not a lot in the big scheme of things; but the symbology is much larger. This is Trump telling Germany that US military support in Europe is not 'gratis' and tied to economic and political cooperation.
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Can someone answer this basic question:
Why does the US have 35,000 troops in Germany anyway? WW2 ended 75 years ago. Cold War ended 30 years ago. Aren't these nations advanced in economics and technology and capable of defending themselves now? Now, if the claim is "mutual defense", are there European troops stationed in the USA, Japan, Korea? Not in significant numbers, it would appear. Or if we simply need jumping off spots on our way to invading all the little despotic places on the globe, can't we just sign an agreement to rent some space there? |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10542641)
"That promise was broken long ago."
And seeing what Russia has been up to in Georgia, the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine it is also totally obsolete. Ukraine is certainly more debatable but at the very least there is a valid discussion to have about Crimea. NRD is indeed fairly shady (although I'd guess that a significant majority of the locals would rather be under Russian administration). On the other hand NATO has continuously closed in around Russia over the past 20 years. You can't expect zero pushback. |
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 10541560)
"The US says it might pull out some troops from Germany" is what it says - and they're only going to move them to Poland -which when you think of it makes sense - the German deployment is a 1980's hang-over (plus Poland will be cheaper to base)
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
(Post 10542746)
5000 troops is not a lot in the big scheme of things; but the symbology is much larger. This is Trump telling Germany that US military support in Europe is not 'gratis' and tied to economic and political cooperation.
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Originally Posted by Simplythebeast
(Post 10547338)
It is not US Military Support. It is forward operating stations to maintain the US capability to respond to anything East of Germany....the troops are not there for the benefit of Germany or any other European State, they are there to maintain US interests. All this rubbish spouted about Germany needing to pay more for the protection offered by America is Codswallop, the USA, certainly under it’s present leadership, gives not one fig about anyone other than the USA.
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Originally Posted by nonsense
(Post 10547638)
"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests"
If the US sees dwindling interests in a particular nation that we help to defend, then it’s time to review the nature of the relationship. That money would be better spent here in the US than on an ally who has become too comfortable in their security guarantees. |
Originally Posted by atakacs
(Post 10542766)
Well Georgia was unequivocally started by the Georgians who got suckered into it by the good offices of Washington. Ukraine is certainly more debatable but at the very least there is a valid discussion to have about Crimea. NRD is indeed fairly shady (although I'd guess that a significant majority of the locals would rather be under Russian administration). On the other hand NATO has continuously closed in around Russia over the past 20 years. You can't expect zero pushback. |
Originally Posted by obgraham
(Post 10542764)
Can someone answer this basic question:
Why does the US have 35,000 troops in Germany anyway? WW2 ended 75 years ago. Cold War ended 30 years ago. Aren't these nations advanced in economics and technology and capable of defending themselves now? Now, if the claim is "mutual defense", are there European troops stationed in the USA, Japan, Korea? Not in significant numbers, it would appear. Or if we simply need jumping off spots on our way to invading all the little despotic places on the globe, can't we just sign an agreement to rent some space there? A valid question, drilling down a bit deeper on the thought, why doesn’t Europe entirely manage it’s own defenses? To prevent nuclear proliferation may have been the answer decades ago, not a valid answer today. NATO is past its best use by date. |
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