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The Hunter mid-air was on 10Aug 72. The students were Charles Ash and O/C Shafi (Jordanian). One woman was killed in the Silver Bay park. They collided at the start of the downwind leg. I also witnessed the collision, taxying out in a T7. So many fatals at Valley in the seventies :sad: |
jindabyne , for some reason the reports state that he was Jordanian, but is clearly incorrect.
A good friend of mine was on the Gnat course at the time; when I chatted with him on the occasion of a landaway nav trip to Valley on my JP course he told me about the Shawbury accident. As you have intimated, the cause was never really ascertained without any doubt, but a lot of people had their views... |
BEags,
Won't die in a ditch (altho' there is one twixt here and pub!) over Nuseriat's nationality - I could be wrong, and he may well have been Jordanian. I do recall that he was not a pleasant young man. |
Would the aforementioned Iraqi/Jordanian student have been through RAF OASC ?
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Don't know I'm afraid.
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ex82watcher ... give me a year and I’ll PM my guess about your bullsh1tter. I was at ERD for much of the 70s (7 years on and off). |
Jindabayne - a fair few in the 60s. ISTR 5 at least, may have been 6 in my time, first 5 months of 66. " In the case of engine failure (Gnat) solo students will eject. Instructors will use their discretion then eject".
On the question of Hunters, my basic QFI at the Towers was John Metcalfe, a creamy. I believe he died in the 70s instructing on the Hunter. any one have any details. He was a great guy and I still remember him with affection, he certainly was to my mind one of the better instructors, certainly from the "understanding" perspective |
Originally Posted by Wander00
(Post 10540760)
On the question of Hunters, my basic QFI at the Towers was John Metcalfe, a creamy. I believe he died in the 70s instructing on the Hunter. any one have any details.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/155365 |
Well, that's the guy. Very sad, but I am most grateful.
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Originally Posted by just another jocky
(Post 10537094)
There is an example of short cuts when a badged navigator went solo in a Tornado GR1 (that's a strike ac with no rear seat controls and with another navigator in the back seat).
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Late 60s, I was on a dual-sortie from Shawbury in a Chipmunk, when a Valley Hunter came on the Local frequency. The pilot, who had a middle-eastern accent, was clearly having difficulties with the tower's instructions and my instructor, who was shocked by what he heard, switched over to Approach at the appropriate time to continue listening to the saga. The pilot continued to have difficulties when the controller was trying to vector him around a target "altitude unknown". We then saw a Hunter overhead and the penny dropped! A quick switch to Local and my instructor reported our position. The controller was not amused!
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There was an instructor on the Jaguar OCU who had been on the F4 but converted onto the Jaguar whilst in Germany on an ad hoc basis. Never completed the OCU course himself. |
Cannylad,
Could you PM me please who that was ? I am an ex-226 OCU instructor. |
Originally Posted by just another jocky
(Post 10537094)
There is an example of short cuts when a badged navigator went solo in a Tornado GR1 (that's a strike ac with no rear seat controls and with another navigator in the back seat).
It doesn't mean the case the OP mentions happened, just that these things do, on occasion, occur. |
50 of the original Tornado GR1 were twin-stick.
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