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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 10526031)
If the Military don't report to Politicians who DO they report to?
The Monarch? Last time that happened Charles I took a morning walk in Westminster and didn't come back for lunch............. Perhaps The LEADER - well we all know how that works out............... Themselves - again - we know where that ends... |
Originally Posted by Training Risky
(Post 10525970)
I thought FP (or RRP as you mentioned earlier) was paid to all aircrew: pilots, navs, WSOps, ATs, AIAs and scopies.
Surely you don't mean RPAS Operators? ;) (Good luck keeping Ministers' sticky fingers out of the till and their 2000-mile screwdriver at bay! Especially as we have an uncodified constitution). It is typical short-term gain for long-term pain. RPA Pilots do NOT feel valued or wanted in any way; there will be a mass exodus in around 3-4 yrs when they have all completed their 6 year return of service.... Just in time for Protector coming online. |
No requirement to pay hotel accommodation and claim back. Yes you CAN claim an advance of 90% of costs, which is not always convenient, possible or available. Give HRG something to do for their money, book the hotel and HRG can claim it from the MoD. We had an instance whereby 18 yo LACs were put in hotels for 2 months. They assumed the hotels were paid for until after a few weeks they were presented with a bill for £1,800. They were paid half of that as a monthly wage. Absolutely abhorrent. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10526116)
Why don't they have company cards that can be issued to those travelling etc to pay for these things, like the rest of the world.?
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Originally Posted by heights good
(Post 10526143)
I know in Australia as soon as ALL personnel finish basic training they are issued a GPC. Why we are stuck in the stone age is beyond my comprehension 😀 |
Can individuals be trusted with GPC? Many cannot even look after their own allotted accomodation on station!
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Originally Posted by nivsy
(Post 10526180)
Can individuals be trusted with GPC? Many cannot even look after their own allotted accomodation on station!
If I can be trusted to close with and kill Her Majesty's enemies, then I am more than capable of being entrusted with a GPC. Your argument is exactly why people leave the military as individuals are treated like 5 year old children. A married man, with 3 children, a mortgage and 20 yrs of service should not be made to feel like he is in the same boat as an 18 yo dole bum. |
Originally Posted by heights good
(Post 10526187)
Tarnish the many with the indiscretions of the few.
If I can be trusted to close with and kill Her Majesty's enemies, then I am more than capable of being entrusted with a GPC. Your argument is exactly why people leave the military as individuals are treated like 5 year old children. A married man, with 3 children, a mortgage and 20 yrs of service should not be made to feel like he is in the same boat as an 18 yo dole bum. |
Originally Posted by nivsy
(Post 10526195)
In the real world including many acts of hostility and war it is indeed the actions of the minority that impact that of the majority. That's the way it is. Not saying it's right. Accountability for all I'm afraid.
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn
(Post 10526204)
That's not accountability though, is it?
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Originally Posted by nivsy
(Post 10526195)
In the real world including many acts of hostility and war it is indeed the actions of the minority that impact that of the majority. That's the way it is. Not saying it's right. Accountability for all I'm afraid.
We are talking about issuing a credit card, not starting war. The first has very few real implications as the money is paid out anyway, but it could, and more than likely would, reduce costs as HRG would be taken out of the equation. The credit card issue is very easy to manage, impose a sensible credit limit such at £500 for those unlikely to need it i.e. 90% of the military. For those such as aircrew, senior officers, those travelling a lot etc have a limit of say £2,500. That should allow claims to be submitted and for it to cover almost all costs. The second has HUGE implication and costs a LOT more than a credit card bill. |
Originally Posted by pba_target
(Post 10526175)
To be fair iirc, Australian MOD use a Diners Club as their GPC, so the chance of using it is basically 0!
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10526465)
Who is going to monitor the bills? When the GPC was ready to be introduced, I was at a meeting where the 1* openly said he 'expected fraud'. I am sure they will be someone on here who could inform us just how much fraud is currently taking place with the limited amount of GPCs out there now. |
In my last military job I had a GPC for all my personal travel and subsistence (which I did a huge amount of), but could not use it to legitimately entertain my non-governmetn contacts. A quick email to HOCS FIN in Main Building extended my permissions to pay for meals for my contacts etc. Easy!
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Originally Posted by The Nip
(Post 10526692)
So we have many on here quite rightly calling all those MPs out about, what is in effect stealing from the public purse. Yet now we have some of those people who want the same system opened out to thousands of of other people.
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Originally Posted by graham house
(Post 10524113)
Referencing my previous...The Offer of Service
Chief of Defence Personnel (CDP) Foreward People lie at the heart of operational capability; attracting and retaining the right numbers of capable, motivated individuals to deliver Defence outputs is critical. This is dependent upon maintaining a credible and realistic offer that earns and retains the trust of people in Defence. In order to achieve this, all personnel must be confident that, not only will they be treated fairly, but also that their families will be treated properly and that Service veterans and their dependants will be respected and appropriately supported. You have no employment contract You have no Independent Representation You have no Independent Federation You have no access to free legal advice You can be loyal, disciplined and true to the flag but you will still get thrown under the bus by the Chain of Command to preserve the reputation of the Armed Forces And when you enter the veteran sector.....well good luck navigating your way through that mess! |
Originally Posted by OKOC
(Post 10534375)
You are a very wise man--clearly not serving otherwise "they" would have already thrown you under the bus my friend. I know from first hand experience the mascarade that proports to be openness and fairness within the RAF. Far, far from it-dare to go for redress and at every level "they" will protect themselves and not admit quite simply that they were wrong. I took at all the way up to the Queen and by god did the **** magnet nail itself to me all the way. Be prepared for a very hard fight if you decide to take the route that I did. I'm pleased I made the effort but be under no illusion, you my friends matter not one jot to them, not one. They protect each other, am I bitter-yes you bet, would I join again, yes, you bet. Just beware what you are joining cos you aint got no rights-none. And, before they arse lickers come and attack this post I don't give a flying flip.Am I bitter-obviously.
I’ve asked for an apology for what I - and my family - was put through at the time and the parlous lack of support. The answer was ‘we don’t do apologies’. I would have taken civil action however I was in a sensitive role at the time; now I’ve moved on but it continues to leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. No other employer would have been permitted to behave in such a manner. I can can also cite a number of recent cases of appalling pastoral care for RAF personnel with life-limiting conditions (myself included). If they are on an RAF station they get excellent support, if they are not...well, it seems the ‘system’ hopes that another TLB takes the strain. And God Forbid if you are under HOCS (ie in Main Building). At a recent social event I spoke with a station commander who said words to the effect of “Don't expect the RAF to look after every one and HOCS should look after you”. They didn’t. |
wuh, sorry to hear about the poor treatment you received while serving your country. Your point about the difference it makes if you are on/off a Station confirms a conclusion I came to when serving. The RAF is a military force within the Station gates, but a bureaucratic pyramid outside them. The more glittering the titles (eg AOC-in-C, etc) the further up the pyramid you are. Mickey Martin used to slip his minders and chat to Station personnel just to find out what was really going on, as against what he was told by his staff.
I was lucky, with excellent bosses who used their extensive discretionary powers to the utmost. I was the fortunate recipient of such efforts from time to time. They valued their subordinates, and loyalty was a two way thing. The bean counters laid waste to so much of that but they truly know the value of nothing. That is what will be left unless there is a full return of the Powers Of Subordinate Commanders. |
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