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tdracer 3rd Jul 2019 18:30

ORAC, thanks for the technical information on the sub - that indeed is an unusual design using spheres instead of cylinders. Very interesting that the first drawing shows the 6-7 spheres unconnected to the rest. Assuming that's accurate and the relatively small size of the sub, I wonder if the fire took out the entire crew in that portion of the boat :eek:

BTW Wee Weasley, you must be a barrel of laughs on conspiracy web sights. :E

air pig 3rd Jul 2019 19:38


Originally Posted by Brian 48nav (Post 10508849)
Military Aviation?

Well you may have needed aviation support if rescue had been required. I suspect that many on here are interested, in that their former or current employment is searching for such vessels both in time of peace and war.

air pig 3rd Jul 2019 19:50


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10508843)
ORAC, thanks for the technical information on the sub - that indeed is an unusual design using spheres instead of cylinders. Very interesting that the first drawing shows the 6-7 spheres unconnected to the rest. Assuming that's accurate and the relatively small size of the sub, I wonder if the fire took out the entire crew in that portion of the boat :eek:

BTW Wee Weasley, you must be a barrel of laughs on conspiracy web sights. :E

I think that spheres are far harder to compress than a tube like structure as such and the vessel can work in a 1atm environment just the same a SSN/SSBN. If you loook at the Trieste, the occupied part was indeed a sphere. Sphere's 6 & 7 obvioulsy contain the nuclear power plant which for any reason has a failure at those depths being isolated may protect the crew whilst the emergency blow even if the stern end was either seriously damaged or even missing. Pure supposition I know.


air pig 3rd Jul 2019 19:54


Originally Posted by The Sultan (Post 10508398)
Let them glow! Want US help? Don’t interfere in ou elections.

For an intelligent person Sir you come over as an unfeeling uncaring individual. Your knowledge of the Submariners creed is sorely lacking, I suggest that you gain an education from a member of the submarine ommunity. Remember it's better to be thought a fool than open your mouth to remove all doubt.

SASless 3rd Jul 2019 20:26

Langleybaston....."we" do not ban....Mod's do.

"We" ignore.


weemonkey 3rd Jul 2019 21:09


Originally Posted by FODPlod (Post 10508528)
A scandalous comment and totally uncalled for. I'm sure the mariners who perished in this tragedy had nothing to do with the US elections.

RIP and sincere condolences to their bereaved families.

Seconded. Oh and I'm sure the Russians had nothing to do with election plural or not!!

jolihokistix 4th Jul 2019 05:21

Ni idea what the video clip at the bottom of the page is showing. Looks like a fire in the stern of a docked submarine somewhere (?). Ignore as necessary, I reckon.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...submarine-fire

racedo 4th Jul 2019 09:37


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10508933)
Langleybaston....."we" do not ban....Mod's do.

"We" ignore.

I agree. I don't want censorship, I want everybody to see what pondlife looks like.

tdracer 4th Jul 2019 21:03


Originally Posted by air pig (Post 10508899)
I think that spheres are far harder to compress than a tube like structure as such and the vessel can work in a 1atm environment just the same a SSN/SSBN. If you loook at the Trieste, the occupied part was indeed a sphere. Sphere's 6 & 7 obvioulsy contain the nuclear power plant which for any reason has a failure at those depths being isolated may protect the crew whilst the emergency blow even if the stern end was either seriously damaged or even missing. Pure supposition I know.

I understand that the sphere is better than a cylinder for resisting pressure - it's just that I'd never seen such a design used on anything but a small diving bell - not a full blown sub.

It seems like a (heavy duty) pressure hatch between the aft and forward compartments could achieve the same isolation while allowing the crew to move around (something similar to what they use to ingress/egress on the surface) . Being locked into that aft reactor area on a long mission would be a nasty duty.

air pig 4th Jul 2019 22:16


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10509784)
I understand that the sphere is better than a cylinder for resisting pressure - it's just that I'd never seen such a design used on anything but a small diving bell - not a full blown sub.

It seems like a (heavy duty) pressure hatch between the aft and forward compartments could achieve the same isolation while allowing the crew to move around (something similar to what they use to ingress/egress on the surface) . Being locked into that aft reactor area on a long mission would be a nasty duty.

It was always said you could tell a member of the Red Banner Northern Fleet because they glowed in the dark. Nevertheless RiP to the crew who died and condolences to their loved ones. Eternally on patrol.

rattman 5th Jul 2019 06:29

A list of the dead have been released, just on ranks alone they lost a specialised skills that cant be easily replaced

Captain 1st Rank

  • Konstantin Ivanov
  • Andrey Voskresenskiy
  • Konstantin Somov
  • Denis Oparin
  • Vladimir Abankin
  • Denis Dolonskiy
  • Nikolay Filin

Captain 2nd Rank

  • Alexander Avdonin
  • Dmitriy Solovyev
  • Sergey Danilchenko

Captain 3rd Rank

  • Viktor Kuzmin
  • Vladimir Sukhinichev

Other Crew

  • Lieutenant Captain Mikhail Dubkov
  • Lieutenant Colonel of Medical Service Alexandr Vasilyev

Asturias56 5th Jul 2019 07:21

Suspect these are VERY Specialized skills and vast experience - what an awful end

Fires in any ship are bad but in a submarine you're on a knife edge -

IIRC there was one years back where a relatively small fire just removed all the oxygen from the interior and everyone died from lack of Oxygen rather than the fire itself

RIP

BEagle 5th Jul 2019 07:22

Back in 2005, Vladimir Putin was very generous with his thanks to the British submarine rescue team which saved a mini submarine crew trapped on the ocean floor - see https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/oct/05/russia.world .

Asturias56 5th Jul 2019 07:26

It's not one way - remember that Norwegian fishing crew in saved by a monster Russian Sub a year or so back? The pictures were very impressive..........................

https://gcaptain.com/russian-nuclear...stress-photos/

Blossy 5th Jul 2019 17:13

A monster of the deep. Impressive indeed.

Tankertrashnav 5th Jul 2019 18:37

Interesting reading in today's Times about the forthcoming film Kursk: The Last Mission. Colin Firth plays the part of Commodore David Russell who led the Anglo Norwegian party who carried out the unsuccessful attempt to find and rescue survivors from the boat on the bed of the Barents Sea in August 2000. Firth had extensive talks with Cdre Russell, a former Trident submarine captain now retired, about the rescue. He contrasts how the Russians have released news of this latest accident almost immediately whereas in the earlier event a delay of two and a half days before they admitted they needed help may have led to the fact that men who definitely survived the initial explosion unfortunately were not rescued in time.

One quote from Cdre Russell is relevant to this thread and reinforces what others have said - "...there is a special bond between submariners ..." Take note The Sultan if you are still here (which I somehow doubt)

Asturias56 6th Jul 2019 08:28


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10510059)
Back in 2005, Vladimir Putin was very generous with his thanks to the British submarine rescue team which saved a mini submarine crew trapped on the ocean floor - see
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/oct/05/russia.world .

I'll bet they confuse a few people with their medal rack........................

Tankertrashnav 6th Jul 2019 09:51

Be interesting to know whether permission has been granted to service personnel to wear Russian medals in uniform (other than on the day of presentation, as shown in the photo). There were some interesting Soviet awards to British personnel after WW2, including a couple of awards of the Order of Lenin to RAF Hurricane pilots who had been operating in North Russia, but they were not permitted to be worn when in uniform. Nothing to stop them being worn on civilian clothing after the recipient has left the service.

BEagle 6th Jul 2019 13:08


Be interesting to know whether permission has been granted to service personnel to wear Russian medals in uniform
I doubt it. No doubt for the same reason that those of us awarded medals by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in 1991 are forbidden to wear them...:mad:

Although I was pleased to see that at least one Master Engineer had given that piece of parsimony a sound ignoring when I saw him wearing them as miniatures...:ok:

air pig 6th Jul 2019 16:06


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10511234)
I doubt it. No doubt for the same reason that those of us awarded medals by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in 1991 are forbidden to wear them...:mad:

Although I was pleased to see that at least one Master Engineer had given that piece of parsimony a sound ignoring when I saw him wearing them as miniatures...:ok:

I know of one person who with permission of HM the Queen, no higher authority available, wore whilst in uniform, the Orden de Mayo, awarded to him by the Argentine government for his service and the people he led during the Falklands War, the recently departed Sugeon Captain Rick Jolly RN Officer Commanding Ajax Bay medical facility aka 'the Red and Green Life Machine'. A man who with his team preserved life without fear or favour, they brought care to all. He was instrumental in bringing veterans of both sides together after the conflict.

I believe he should have been awarded a medal for gallentry for going down twice on a wire into freezing temperature water with no specialist protection to rescue two men who would have died without him.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...jolly-obituary


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