Suspect Syrian air defence missile hits Cyprus
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Interesting development. It is either a long way off target or maybe Cyprus {RAF] is the target!
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Hmmmm...
There aren’t many ‘air defense’ systems that can accidentally stray over 100 miles. If it is, in fact, an air defense missile then the distance kind of narrows its’ type down a little. BV |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 10506849)
There aren’t many ‘air defense’ systems that can accidentally stray over 100 miles. If it is, in fact, an air defense missile then the distance kind of narrows its’ type down a little. BV |
Mainjafad
The tail fins in the picture on the BBC website don’t look like an S200. Still, I guess we will all find out the truth eventually! BV🤔 |
If it was, then the S-200 was/is designed to explode in mid-air if it does not find its target, according to one news source.
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Looks like an SA-5 to me - liquid fuel sustainer section!
The missile does have a crude surface-to-surface mode with basic inertial autopilot guidance. Reasonably effective when nuclear tipped. |
The reported joint US, Israel and UK F35 exercise in the region must be making things slightly difficult for the Syrians.
As I understand it the UK and US F35s are over Syria in the fight against ISIS whilst the Israeli F35s are over Syria in an effort to take out Syrian or Iranian assets on the ground. Any ideas on how deconfliction is achieved? |
Oh, and the US has just moved F-22s to Qatar.
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
(Post 10506888)
Looks like an SA-5 to me - liquid fuel sustainer section!
The missile does have a crude surface-to-surface mode with basic inertial autopilot guidance. Reasonably effective when nuclear tipped. |
Originally Posted by PhilipG
(Post 10506893)
The reported joint US, Israel and UK F35 exercise in the region must be making things slightly difficult for the Syrians.
As I understand it the UK and US F35s are over Syria in the fight against ISIS whilst the Israeli F35s are over Syria in an effort to take out Syrian or Iranian assets on the ground. Any ideas on how deconfliction is achieved? |
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Strange how they don't take action against the funders of ISIS but sell them weapons instead. |
There was an attack of Israeli AF this night over Syria. Probably it was an old S-200 missile that could not hit any manoeuvrable target and flew into nowhere. Why was not it blown up in mid-course, that's the question. However, this kind of accident already happened some 20 years ago when a Ukrainian S-200 missed a target during training and then hit Tu-154 flying from Israel to Russia. The distance was pretty long (some 250 km), longer than from west Syria to east Cyprus.
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
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...likely lost lock and went ballistic.
The 3-channel AP, inertial system and variable engine thrust is all about flying the most kinematically efficient profile. It does not guide in the traditional SAM sense, with different control laws for each phase of flight. Only in the short-shot mode does it default to a standard p-nav course guidance. A rather interesting system to operate and ahead of its time. The AIM-54 body shape owes more than a nod of its design to the SA-5. |
S2/300
I concede that it is quite possible that I am wrong about the missile. However, in my mind there is something fishy about a SAM fired West from Syria (why West) accidentally landing on Cyprus. There is a lot of sea and not much Cyprus in that direction. I mean, seriously, what are the chances?! BV |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
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Do take the tin-foil hat off, racedo.
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
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I mean, seriously, what are the chances?!
But, unlike most SAMs, this is a system with a rustic surface to surface capability so I am sure the electronic 'take' will be studied with interest. Much like when Libya fired a few SA-5s at US Navy warships (all missed, but 10/10 for effort), not every event is an accident. |
Time to deploy some PAC-3 Patriot missiles to the SBA?? |
Can you imagine the Jt GBAD folk with HVM and Rapier returning the favour. Launched east out of SBA the impact would be...well, easily visible from SBA. |
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