This is pprune....the aircraft and pilots are American....ergo a major disaster was barely averted by divine intervention!

Had it been an American aircraft but flown by some Brits in the RAF there would not have been a peep heard.

Of course there would have been lots of comments....but all suggesting what grand flying it was and proving the proper way to do it.

Hoskins, Bloggs, and Carruthers are simply based upon some myth.

Probably because it wouldn't have happened!

parabellum , you must be confusing me with someone else! I neither directly work for Airbus nor do I fly around the world extolling the benefits of the A330MRTT. But from what I've seen, it does that for itself anyway!

I'm not aircrew.

Is there really a problem with this landing. Presumably there are no passengers on board so that's not an issue. What about stress to the airframe?

There is one point in the video where you swear it's going to land vertically!

Cameras and mil Tx---hmmmm


Local News | Mishap On Keiko Flight Investigated -- Landing-Gear Repair Could Cost $1 Million | Seattle Times Newspaper

The video of the mishap does not come up during a search...which is a pity as, from memory, it is quite err dramatic ..

Beags.....different situation and different outcome.

But....one very broken aircraft.


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Nationality doesn't come into it - it was a poorly executed approach.
As has been explained, it wasn't part of the "show", hence one can suggest that it wasn't the "planned" outcome.
The divergence through the centreline, the touchdown right of centreline and the late point of touchdown just point to it being a balls up.
IF they'd managed to pull it off WITHOUT flying through the centreline, and landing on the centreline in the touchdown zone, it would've looked great!
But they didn't...

Roland Pulfrew wrote: Really, Roly old mate? Not in your VC10K time, I trust.... Landing half way down the runway, well off the centreline, after a lousy approach.

At least no-one was injured - apart from Boeing's reputation, no doubt.

How's it going with you these days?

:hmm: :hmm:
How about that one : continental drift moved the touchdown marks half a mile behind the wheels ?

Would that help ?

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No crash trucks called out....no maintenance crews flown in...no unusual ground support equipment required....no tarps covering up any part of the aircraft......what is the big deal here folks?

Hands up anyone with more than 10 hours in their log book who hasn't made a bit of a boob and simply sorted it out.

Judging by the comments here about a pilot who converted a less than ideal approach into a landing maybe the beancounters are right.

'Today's pilots are just system operators and should be paid as such.'

If you look closely at this picture, you'll be able to see where the touchdown actually occurred.
From the taxiway behind the plane, you can see this is more than half a mile down the runway, and clearly way off the runway centerline (the white marks).
In "civil" aviation and most Western Air Forces, this is considered a poorly misjudged approach and landing, and should have required a timely "go around".

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Well, why not have a look at a map, airport chart, or even Google Map ?
Please note I wrote "down the runway", not "from the taxiway", which is located... why not find by yourself^^?

I'm afraid I can't concur.
Look again, the guy is using coarse rudder inputs to try an stay on course, and brakes so hard he locks his left main wheels (see the smoke ?) in the roll out.

The only mistake he didn't make is punch the front gear into the fuselage, a la B757^^!

Really, I watched a VC10 air display practice where they missed the centreline and heaved the thing round to try and get it back on the display line, It was the first and only time I saw shockwaves forming over the wing roots, the pilot overstressed the aircraft and the meter was reset before we got to the aircraft, no one on the crew would tell us exactly what they had pulled and wanted it hushing up, needless to say the sh*t hit the fan when the aircraft state went in to group that night and the aircraft was listed as grounded for overstress checks as without figures to go by we had to assume the worst scenario..

That is the standard all the arm chair critics might consider.

The Aircraft landed without damage of any kind,, stayed on the runway, and was fit for mission at the end of the day.

Willy wrote a play about this....."Much Todo About Nothing"!

By the way....did the RAF send a large aircraft to the Show?

They didn't send much to Cosford either, if it wasn't for the museum and the school dragging out the old favourites and the foreign / civilian display aircraft it would have been over in an hour, a Typhoon, a Tucano, a Chinook, the Dead Sparrows and several Grobs were it.

I am here this week so heres my photos of 22nd's latest toy :) on static

Cheers


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Thanks for the pictures.
Pity that in France you are fenced off the airplanes, contrary to the US.
Any chances of chatting with the crew ?

By luck or by judgement?
How many precursors to a hard landing and/or a runway excursion were present?

Maybe all you critics should send your complaints to the CO of the 344th ARS.....maybe that was the CO....:eek:

....and yes I have big aircraft time also and don't see this as one of the top ten major military aviation concerns right now. Most of the complainers here seem somewhat like the types I'm familiar with who are reluctant to, even uncomfortable with disconnecting the auto-pilot.

newt , old bean, notwithstanding the training the military was once able to provide and the fact that many airlines now frown on their 'children of the magenta' from flying manually, never forget the wise words of Frank Borman:

By which definition, whoever made that abysmal approach and landing at Paris was clearly NOT a superior pilot.

Back when you were hooliganing about in your Lightning :ok: , novice BOAC VC10 pilots had to fly something like 40 landings during type training, with a lot of manual flying. Whereas today, the beancounters deem manual flying generally superfluous, to the extent that many an airline copilot would find something as simple (to you and me) as a visual circuit extremely challenging.

But whose fault is that?

What's all the fuss about? Nice tight circuit, airshow intentional. Blimey!

In about 1974, from the vantage of the Hong Kong Flying Club, opposite the 13 threshold, we could observe those that had over/under cooked the turn at the checker board. My prize for persistence went to an Air India 707 who did get it down eventually and managed to stop in a cloud of burning tyre smoke just short of 31 threshold. In comparison, the KC approach and landing was sedate!

Not sure why they wouldn't allow close up inspection of the outside, but you can blame the USAF for not being allowed on-board. Just to get on board to doing required pre-flight and certification testing, I had to take a course and then sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). Not sure what I might have seen while on-board that would be potentially damaging if I disclosed it to the wrong person, but it was a USAF requirement.