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oldmansquipper 26th May 2019 11:55

CALM DOWN! CALM DOWN!
 
Moments from disaster! OMG!

(Spoiler alert! No ball of flame, no nuns, no school averted, nobody died)

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...paign=sharebar

scarecrow450 26th May 2019 12:11

But what about the children ???

MPN11 26th May 2019 14:35

Everything’s a drama in Liverpool, surely?


The dramatic scenes unfolded around 11.20am at the Speke-based airport.

taxydual 26th May 2019 14:55

Thank God it didn't land. The wheels would have been nicked.

chevvron 26th May 2019 15:45


Originally Posted by scarecrow450 (Post 10479974)
But what about the children ???

Who cares about children; did it frighten any puppies?

Herod 26th May 2019 16:05

Unless things have changed, this is pretty standard. As long as the wheels do not actually touch the runway, the RAF isn't billed a landing fee.

ShyTorque 26th May 2019 17:48

It missed the ground by only one foot? How dangerous was THAT?

MPN11 26th May 2019 17:59


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 10480100)
Unless things have changed, this is pretty standard. As long as the wheels do not actually touch the runway, the RAF isn't billed a landing fee.

I thought we miserable sods in ATC could still raise a bill for “Navigation Services”? But perhaps that was Mil billing Civ? ISTR being cautioned about letting people off when I were a SATCO :)

Pontius Navigator 26th May 2019 18:07

Didn't dare touch down in case some scouser knicked the wheels.

BirdmanBerry 26th May 2019 19:03

The reporter ought to spend some time at Gloucestershire with the A400M doing go-arounds, what a pathetic 'news' story.

Two's in 26th May 2019 19:07

Rumour is the Daily Mail are already funding the building of an orphanage, a nunnery and a nuclear power plant next to the runway so they can claim the Typhoon narrowly missed them all...

Buster Hyman 26th May 2019 19:13

NEWSFLASH! TORY INCURSION AVERTED!

Kiltrash 26th May 2019 20:42

Now a Ryanair doing a missed approach at Conningsby That may be newsworthy

Union Jack 26th May 2019 21:11


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10480159)
Didn't dare touch down in case some scouser knicked the wheels.

I wonder if Taxydual thought likewise - well, nearly.....😱. Sorry, couldn't resist whilst catching up on the EU Election results!👍🏻😁

Jack

weemonkey 26th May 2019 21:16

Having studied the picture it seems obvious that it had in fact been hi-jacked....

TBM-Legend 26th May 2019 23:44

Liverpool Airshow it seems...

Now a Blackjack doing a missed approach would have been news [or visiting dear friends!]

NutLoose 27th May 2019 00:39


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 10480100)
Unless things have changed, this is pretty standard. As long as the wheels do not actually touch the runway, the RAF isn't billed a landing fee.

Yep many many moons ago a new Chinook HC1 dropped a guy off at Speke who was going on leave, they hover taxied in, he jumped down and they passed his bag to him and then hover taxied out, they sent a bill and we pointed out it hadn't landed, they checked, confirmed it and the bill was cancelled.


Union Jack 27th May 2019 11:22


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10480308)


Yep many many moons ago a new Chinook HC1 dropped a guy off at Speke who was going on leave, they hover taxied in, he jumped down and they passed his bag to him and then hover taxied out, they sent a bill and we pointed out it hadn't landed, they checked, confirmed it and the bill was cancelled.


For the avoidance of doubt, I don't believe that Nick Cooke-Priest is a Scouser....

Jack

Ken Scott 27th May 2019 12:09

Even without actually doing a touch & go the Typhoon will have incurred a charge of nearly £3000 for that approach, most sensible RAF crews go elsewhere for their training where they won’t get ripped off, like Newquay Airport.

Martin the Martian 27th May 2019 12:14

It would be nice to see Typhoons circuit bashing at Newquay. Even the usual Atlases have been noticeable by their absence in recent weeks. Has the agreement with Newquay Airport come to an end?

Stuart Sutcliffe 27th May 2019 12:50


Originally Posted by Kiltrash (Post 10480224)
Now a Ryanair doing a missed approach at Conningsby That may be newsworthy

Not really, I don't think, because it would just be assumed that Ryanair had set up a schedule to "Skegness International Airport".

By the way, there are only two occurrences of that pesky letter 'n' in the name of Coningsby. ;)

treadigraph 27th May 2019 14:12

Pretty sure I noticed an Atlas on ADSB doing circuits at Newquay in the last few days.

Geriaviator 27th May 2019 16:29

Not having an Auntie Betty, I paid for all my flying and well remember being charged for every approach and goaround during my I/R training, in some cases the approach was almost as expensive as a landing. My pension wouldn't stretch to an I/R now even if I could remember where I had left the aircraft :*

spekesoftly 27th May 2019 18:43


Originally Posted by Ken Scott (Post 10480601)
Even without actually doing a touch & go the Typhoon will have incurred a charge of nearly £3000 for that approach ......

Can you explain where that figure of nearly £3,000 comes from?

A quick look at LJLA's Schedule of Charges (available online) suggests that about £600 would be nearer the mark. Still a tidy sum, but only a fifth of the figure you quote.

Non Emmett 27th May 2019 18:48

A400 has been doing circuits at Nqy three or four days in the last week or so with two operating locally at same time one day. Plenty of under-utilised airspace down this way so come on down.

Compass Call 27th May 2019 20:52

Surely the reason for the missed approach at Liverpool was to let the guys & gals there know what 'The Sound of Freedom' sounds like :-)

Art Smass 28th May 2019 02:14

Hawarden is a good place too - plenty of Hawks and Juno's do approaches there along with the occasional C130, A400 and more recently the new Texans

Ken Scott 28th May 2019 18:55


Can you explain where that figure of nearly £3,000 comes from?
As I understand it there was a survey done a couple of years ago at an Oxfordshire base into the costs of performing PDs at various airports in the UK & that was the price quoted for an approach to go-around. Price was, admittedly, for the larger size of aircraft but no ‘military discount ‘ was offered. Maybe they offer a discount for the more petite aircraft?

But it does explain why large mil transports are a rare sight at Liverpool but relatively common down in Newquay.

spekesoftly 28th May 2019 22:26


Originally Posted by Ken Scott
Price was, admittedly, for the larger size of aircraft but no ‘military discount ‘ was offered. Maybe they offer a discount for the more petite aircraft?

The price is based on the aircraft's MTOW, hence the charge for a Typhoon is considerably less than for a BZZ 'heavy'.

Typhoondriver 29th May 2019 06:59

For those with access with something 'fast n pointy', I'd highly recommend an instrument approach to RWY 27 at Liverpool with an 'SVFR departure not above 1000' down the Mersey'. All within the rules and a most pleasant way to see the Albert Dock area.

That said, I'd be cautious next time Liverpool ATC tell me to 'expedite climb' after an approach. The cheeky use of reheat required to comply with their instructions also resulted in the bonkers type of headline as above.

spekesoftly 30th May 2019 08:11


Originally Posted by Typhoondriver
I'd highly recommend an instrument approach to RWY 27 at Liverpool with an 'SVFR departure not above 1000' down the Mersey'..........

It certainly used to be a very popular PD for Valley Hawks (and Gnats, back in the day), as I'm sure many 4FTS QFIs and students remember.

Sky Sports 30th May 2019 08:23

It can't have been that 'dramatic' if they had time for a selfie. (second photo).

[email protected] 30th May 2019 13:35


A400 has been doing circuits at Nqy three or four days in the last week or so with two operating locally at same time one day. Plenty of under-utilised airspace down this way so come on down.
noooo! It's bad enough trying to teach circuits there with Sqeezyjet doing touch and gos....


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