Diego Garcia
The UN appears to be backing the end of UK rule to the island and thus hand it back to the Mauritius government. In saying that, the Mauritius government also says the air base would still be allowed to operate providing it conforms with international law..
Any thoughts? Cheers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48371388 |
How can it be 'handed back to the Mauritius government' when it never came under its jurisdiction in the first place? It was intentionally excluded from Mauritius as part of the independence agreement. The islanders don't want to be a part of Mauritius, having been poorly treated when evacuated there. They have since resided close by Gatwick, patiently awaiting a return to their homeland.
They would prefer to be a British dependency thereafter, despite being expelled by us. They are about to be disappointed yet again, I fear. |
Never going to happen. Gibraltar will be given away to Spain before Diego Garcia is given up.
Anyway, the UN can make all the declarations it wants. Ignore them as they are meaningless. |
Originally Posted by Training Risky
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Never going to happen. Gibraltar will be given away to Spain before Diego Garcia is given up.
Anyway, the UN can make all the declarations it wants. Ignore them as they are meaningless. The treatment, by the British Government, of the people of Diego Garcia is frankly a national disgrace, an utterly shameful piece of UK foreign policy. |
Originally Posted by Chris Kebab
(Post 10478502)
...may be "meaningless" - but that does not mean wrong.
The treatment, by the British Government, of the people of Diego Garcia is frankly a national disgrace, an utterly shameful piece of UK foreign policy. But this is a wicked problem: There must be an airfield there to provide strategic power projection in the region and keep the US sweet, but it's near impossible to reconcile with the Chagossians' right to return. |
Originally Posted by chopper2004
(Post 10478118)
The UN appears to be backing the end of UK rule to the island and thus hand it back to the Mauritius government. In saying that, the Mauritius government also says the air base would still be allowed to operate providing it conforms with international law..
Any thoughts? Cheers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48371388 |
Yes, I thought that Diego Garcia had been given to the Americans as their permanent presence in the Indian Ocean.
They are very unlikely to give it up any time soon. It might even become another state if we are not too careful! |
This is a UN backed disrupt to the US sponsored by China. Wake up people
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It is entirely possible the Americans will refuse to vacate Diego Garcia just as they have refused to vacate Guantanamo Bay.
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I believe that Putin also is thinking about handing the Crimea back to the Ukraine.
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And possibly China giving Tibet back to its people? And Turkey pulling out of northern Cyprus? |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 10479034)
I believe that Putin also is thinking about handing the Crimea back to the Ukraine.
I fully understand the strategic importance of both and the respective power balances. That being said the treatment of local residents can not be even compared. What the UK has done, most likely under the instructions of the US, is nothing short of abject, plain and simple. |
Absolute disgrace - and there is no reason why the the islanders and the base can't co-exist as they seem to do on Okinawa, Cyprus, Norfolk and just about everywhere else...........
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"It is entirely possible the Americans will refuse to vacate Diego Garcia just as they have refused to vacate Guantanamo Bay."
The USA has a legal right to Guantanamo - the 1903 Lease for Guantanamo has no fixed expiration date. Chagos Islands is a deal between the USA and the UK who "own" the islands - it's a lease extended to 2036 |
It's not big, and it's not getting any bigger
Originally Posted by magruder1980
(Post 10479142)
Absolute disgrace - and there is no reason why the the islanders and the base can't co-exist as they seem to do on Okinawa, Cyprus, Norfolk and just about everywhere else...........
On the plus side, there is very active protection of the marine life around the atoll, the booties (well they used to) make sure any visits to the Northern islands by yachties are not extended. Consequently it is a very special place for wildlife. |
Wrecked Catalina inside the atoll at Diego Garcia. First time I went there it was just as it had been in WW2. Second time there had been a huge transformation. And the 'booties' were actively patrolling in RIBS,https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5893b08a51.jpg
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Must be a 30 Sqn crew looking for spares...!
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Sycamore,
second visit was during my 30 Sqn time. A colleague and I sailed a dingy around looking at all the interesting 'things' parked up. |
So why can’t they live on any of the other atolls? The atoll with the port and airbase on is just one of many. |
The other islands are tiny, and apart from getting submerged by tropical storms from time to time, there is no fresh water. Infrastructure wise there are no buildings, no harbours, no airstrips, and no electricity.
I suspect that people who have never been there believe that they are just like an undeveloped Maldives, that might work for a very few visitors on Diego Garcia itself - if the military left, leaving behind their oil fired powerstation and the fragile network of saltwater lenses. We'd be rescuing any inhabitants from the ravages of tropical storms at great expense to the taxpayer within a few years. I dread to think what the cost of shipping everything in and all the rubbish out will come to. |
They lived on Ile Boddam, which is part of the Salomon atoll, and nowhere near Diego Garcia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Islands |
Originally Posted by uffington sb
(Post 10480120)
So why can’t they live on any of the other atolls? The atoll with the port and airbase on is just one of many. Perhaps the islanders do not wish to live on any of the other atolls. |
Sleeping there gave me a really nasty headache . . . but they had a Class 6 no less and we were able to stock up for Perth and Woomera et al.
The only downside? One of the skippers was Jeff Bullen, but you can't have everything. |
Planemike. They want to return to Ile Boddam, where the village of Chagos was. They do not want to go to Diego Garcia. |
I believe that Putin also is thinking about handing the Crimea back to the Ukraine. And possibly China giving Tibet back to its people? And Turkey pulling out of northern Cyprus? |
uffington sb:-
They want to return to Ile Boddam, where the village of Chagos was. They do not want to go to Diego Garcia. Here is the Beeb summary of the situation after the lost Supreme Court appeal in 2016:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36659976 |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10479127)
And possibly China giving Tibet back to its people? And Turkey pulling out of northern Cyprus? |
Or a little closer to home, Spain giving back Ceuta and Melilla?
Or at least give the citizens of Morocco a chance to vote on the issue and Britain could then do likewise in Gib. Oh, I forgot we already have! The Spanish have a word for this - Hipocresia |
Originally Posted by Momoe
(Post 10482790)
Or a little closer to home, Spain giving back Ceuta and Melilla?
Or at least give the citizens of Morocco a chance to vote on the issue and Britain could then do likewise in Gib. Oh, I forgot we already have! The Spanish have a word for this - Hipocresia End the colonial outposts for everybody. |
Originally Posted by racedo
(Post 10482817)
But isn't it hypocrisy if you are stating Moroccan citizens rather than residents of Ceuta and Melilla should all be allowed to vote, but then only Gibraltans when it should be Spain and Gibraltar as a whole.
End the colonial outposts for everybody. |
melmothtw,
Give Australia and New Zealand back to their rightful owners and come back to Europe! |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10482982)
melmothtw,
Give Australia and New Zealand back to their rightful owners and come back to Europe! |
Originally Posted by pr00ne
(Post 10482982)
melmothtw,
Give Australia and New Zealand back to their rightful owners and come back to Europe! It wasn't Australia untl them from across the sea showed up. Human History, 101, suggest you review the course. |
It wasn't Australia untl them from across the sea showed up |
And don't forget that it's part of the GPS control segment.
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