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lsd	21st Apr 2019 08:56

Flt Lt Antoniak

Wander00

21st Apr 2019 10:29

Certificate in my awful handwriting then signed by the CFI. That was the Towers in December 65

diginagain

21st Apr 2019 12:24

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b6e0407631.jpg

binbrook

21st Apr 2019 14:19

No certificates at the Towers in the 50s. OCFW just signed an end-of-course F414A in my logbook to say that I was a competent U/T pilot and had a White rating. Wings were awarded a week later.

ShyTorque

21st Apr 2019 15:13

Pilots who qualified to "Wings" standard after 1977 (might have been 1978) had to wait until after graduating from an advanced flying training school (AFTS), which explains why some had flown notably more hours than others who were awarded their badge at a basic flying training school (BFTS).

I was at RAF Linton-on-Ouse when the last course to be awarded their flying badges after BFTS graduated. I believe it was 15 Course; I do know that Douglas Bader carried out the presentations. The "carrot" was thereafter whisked further into the far distance. After holding for some months, I didn't personally graduate from AFTS until 1979.

Herod

21st Apr 2019 16:37

Thanks Keith; yes you're right. Was he your instructor, or is that a good memory?

LOMCEVAK

22nd Apr 2019 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10452600)

Pilots who qualified to "Wings" standard after 1977 (might have been 1978) had to wait until after graduating from an advanced flying training school (AFTS)

I graduated at Valley in August 1978 and we received our wings then. I remember that it was only a couple of courses before ours who last received their wings at Cranwell in 1977. I am not sure precisely when the change came. The biggest issue that we cared about was that until you received your wings you did not get full flying pay, just 'flying instructional pay'!

Yellow Sun

22nd Apr 2019 11:22

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Originally Posted by LOMCEVAK (Post 10453080)

I am not sure precisely when the change came. The biggest issue that we cared about was that until you received your wings you did not get full flying pay, just 'flying instructional pay'!

Which was the same situation as applied when wings were awarded on completion of basic flying training. You did not qualify for full flying pay until completion of advanced training. More galling was the ruling that should you have to hold between basic and advanced then Flying Instructional Pay (FIP) was only paid for the days on which you flew. I suspect it would have been cheaper if it had just been paid, as on at least 3 occasions a SAR Flt Whirlwind got airborne on an “air test” to secure Plt Off YS’s FIP for the day.

YS

Training Risky

23rd Apr 2019 13:50

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db949fa365.gif
The first certificate here of the Noughties! I got double bubble: in addition to this lovely certificate (with a spare pair of wings unceremoniously wedged into a cheap frame), my logbook was endorsed at the Course Summary page with "Completed AFT, Awarded Wings".

Interesting to see that BEagle's and mine both mention iaw QR J727 from 1970s onwards, and others in the 1960s mention QR 815 and 770.

MPN11

23rd Apr 2019 18:36

Assuming that was signed by the Stn Cdr, there was a window of opportunity when that would have been a gp capt ATCO! :)

.... ooh, 2002 could indeed have been ‘Wordle‘ on his way to 1*, lucky boy! Doesn’t look like his signature, though.

Training Risky

24th Apr 2019 08:10

I think Harry Staish may have been from air traffic constriction...Dick Allen had left by that point.

But the signature is 'R Tizard' - Bob Tizz: incumbent boss of the DHFS.

Wings were presented by ACM John Day - 9 years before his ruling on the crew of ZD576 was overturned.

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