ALARM
I'm watching an episode of "Air Warriors" about electronic warfare, and I remember that the RAF at one time used a missile called Alarm.
is it still in use? If not, can anyone tell me wether it was good, bad or indifferent? |
It was very unreliable as it kept going off at the wrong time!
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I think the rocket motors in the ones the RAF had were most likely Life-ex and there was no money to replace them (seeing that the average life of one is around 12 years) and the Mk 2 version came out in the early 2000's it would be a good bet. RAF canned it in 2013. Saudis were still using it around 4 years ago.
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ALARM? It rings me a bell...
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These things tend to hang around........ |
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can anyone tell me wether it was good, bad or indifferent? |
can anyone tell me whether it was good, bad or indifferent? |
Either way, what do we use now to do the job, seeing as the RAF's offensive weaponry consists of Brimstone, Storm Shadow and Paveway IV?
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Thanks for the replies. I understand the sensitivity, and I was aware of its loitering capability, just didnt know why it wasnt kept on if it was effective.
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 10439708)
Either way, what do we use now to do the job, seeing as the RAF's offensive weaponry consists of Brimstone, Storm Shadow and Paveway IV?
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The 'loitering' capability under the 'chute really drove the design of the weapon. Getting a burnable chute out of the back of rocket motor was quite a trick. The warhead also had to be quite nasty to achieve effects from a missile that was designed not to directly hit the emitter. Arguably its best feature was when used in tandem with HARM capable aircraft, giving the SAM crews quite a complicated picture. Add in the odd LO platform and some jamming, both stand-off and stand-in and the overall effect was rather good. The worst feature, especially when not operating in a mixed package was the speed of the thing. More of a SARM than a HARM, to the point that it was easy to arrive over the target well before the missile you fired earlier. As ever, no comments on the EW side as those elements live on even after the demise of the missile. |
From memory.....it is a long time ago! The first packages went in with the ALARM aircraft at the front however all this did was alert the locals as the rockets came off the aircraft that there were inbounds. So we modified the packages and the ALARM aircraft went down the back and fired from there.
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Originally Posted by LincsFM
(Post 10439162)
It was very unreliable as it kept going off at the wrong time!
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Weren't the RAF Tornado F3s rebranded as EF3s for a short while?
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Originally Posted by TwoTunnels
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Weren't the RAF Tornado F3s rebranded as EF3s for a short while?
-RP |
Davef68,
"..what do we use now to do the job, seeing as the RAF's offensive weaponry consists of Brimstone, Storm Shadow and Paveway IV?" I guess we use Brimstone, Storm Shadow and Paveway IV... |
there's long been talk of using a version of METEOR as a very high speed ARM. how much could be achieved by using OTS componants in the style of SPEAR CAP 2 to 3 is a matter for technical discussion, but there appears to be an acceptance at a political level that SPEAR CAP 3 isn't the answer. part of the answer, but its not enough.
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Since it's retired now, does anybody know its max range?
I understand the answer to that would be a "no comment" if it was still in use.... so you don't know if you don't ask! |
According to the Wiki link I provided earlier, the operational range is quoted as: 93 Kilometres (58 miles)
Don't have any idea as to the veracity of Wiki in this matter. |
BVRAAM, Open source data such as that found in Wiki are all you’ll get (or again, should get!). One very good reason for continuing to protect such data after a piece of kit is retired is that the data could serve to prove the credibility of sources who may have leaked information while the kit was still in service. As those sources may still be active then there is a clear imperative to avoid corroborating their earlier tales. Or, indeed, to avoid exposing sources of deliberate misinformation! |
Easy Street, I understand. Thanks.
Your latter point is what I suspect - I can't see any truth to it being 93km - an ex-Weasel told me himself that the idea of SEAD is to fly high, slow (within cornering speed) and letting the system know you're coming so you can send a shot straight down the radar beam's centreline which requires getting in close and within SAM range, so it's highly likely that 93K figure is deliberately inaccurate. I won't ask anything else on this subject. |
Originally Posted by BVRAAM
(Post 10443065)
Your latter point is what I suspect - I can't see any truth to it being 93km - an ex-Weasel told me himself that the idea of SEAD is to fly high, slow (within cornering speed) and letting the system know you're coming so you can send a shot straight down the radar beam's centreline which requires getting in close and within SAM range, so it's highly likely that 93K figure is deliberately inaccurate.
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As covered earlier, the differences between HARM and ALARM could not be greater when things like range are considered. When you have a weapon suspended under a 'chute things like winds aloft become a key factor, with canopy drift vs sensor regard vs altitude vs reducing ballistic reach et al.
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I was the desk officer in Operational Requirements for Alarm many moons ago! It was early days for defence suppression! There was a competition for the contract and to beat Texas Instruments with Harm, British Aerospace designed all sorts of extras into it! A two stage motor and the loiter capability for instance! Needless to say, M Thatcher thought the contract should go to a U.K. company! On her insistence, it was the very first Fixed Price Contract with British Aerospace! It was some months before they admitted that the motor was a problem! Eventually, as I recall, the contract came in at twice the price and took twice as long before delivery! Just thought you might be interested! Needless to say, M Thatcher was not impressed and my director had to fend off some flack from Number Ten! |
ALARM seems more capable than HARM then in certain situations!
It's a role I find very interesting; it sounds like great fun! |
Now of course you do it with drones. A small swarm to loiter in the area in orbit for several hours, just waiting for the radar to go active..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10443604)
Now of course you do it with drones. A small swarm to loiter in the area in orbit for several hours, just waiting for the radar to go active..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAI_Harop |
Oh, that nothing compared to what’s in the pipeline..... |
Originally Posted by BVRAAM
(Post 10443589)
ALARM seems more capable than HARM then in certain situations!
It's a role I find very interesting; it sounds like great fun! |
Some very early ALARM action in Michael Napiers operational history of the Tornado. Worth a read for the GW1 section alone.
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