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air pig 20th Feb 2019 12:23

The RAF appoints first female 3* officer
 
Sue Gray has been appointed as the new head of engineering in the rank of Air Marshall, the first female to hold this rank.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...star-commander

sedburgh 20th Feb 2019 14:05


Originally Posted by air pig (Post 10395638)
Sue Gray has been appointed as the new head of engineering in the rank of Air Marshall, the first female to hold this rank.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...star-commander

Not quite, she has been promoed to Air Marshal and appointed Director General of the Defence Safety Authority in succession to Lt Gen Felton,
not head of engineering. Air Marshal Julian Young remains Chief of Material(Air), Air Member for Materiel and Chief Engineer(RAF).

MPN11 20th Feb 2019 14:59

Once upon a time that would be an automatic K. I wonder if she will get a Dame for being the first female 3*?

Anyway, bloody well done, Ma’am.

teeteringhead 20th Feb 2019 15:19

And she really counts as another rotary mate!

BZ Ma'am

air pig 20th Feb 2019 16:16


Originally Posted by sedburgh (Post 10395726)
Not quite, she has been promoed to Air Marshal and appointed Director General of the Defence Safety Authority in succession to Lt Gen Felton,
not head of engineering. Air Marshal Julian Young remains Chief of Material(Air), Air Member for Materiel and Chief Engineer(RAF).

My error...

kintyred 20th Feb 2019 19:23

Indeed, Airpig......there's an 'l' of a difference!

Melchett01 20th Feb 2019 19:24


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 10395780)
And she really counts as another rotary mate!

BZ Ma'am

And at the same time as anothet rotary mate - AVM Turner - is promoted AM and becomes DCOM Cap.

Tankertrashnav 21st Feb 2019 10:32


Once upon a time that would be an automatic K. I wonder if she will get a Dame for being the first female 3*?
I would hope so. Back in the days of the WRAF a number of Directors who "only" had the rank of Air Commodore (previously Air Commandant) were Dames, so it would be quite bizarre for her not to be so honoured.

MPN11 21st Feb 2019 15:22


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10396480)
I would hope so. Back in the days of the WRAF a number of Directors who "only" had the rank of Air Commodore (previously Air Commandant) were Dames, so it would be quite bizarre for her not to be so honoured.

How true, but we’re all one company now!

ExGrunt 21st Feb 2019 15:48

Is the RAF big enough to need any 3* these days. At 35,000 ish all up it is really only the size of a reinforced Division (2*).

'Light the blue touch paper - Stand well back' ;o)

EG

Asturias56 21st Feb 2019 15:54

Can someone explain to a poor foreigner why a person AUTOMATICALLY gets a honor? Surely it's no "honor" if it's part of the job description???

Do you pay tax on it???

Thud_and_Blunder 21st Feb 2019 17:26

ISTR that Ma'am was always known as 'Trousers' to differentiate twixt her good self and another engineer. And what an excellent engineer - and leader - she was too. Very good news.

teeteringhead 21st Feb 2019 18:46

Ex Grunt


Is the RAF big enough to need any 3* these days. At 35,000 ish all up it is really only the size of a reinforced Division (2*).
Well the Royal Marines have got a 2* for fewer than 8,000 ........... not much more ISTR than the strength of Brize - which is run by a Gp Capt.

And of course AM Grey's new post is a "purple" one with tri-service responsibilities.

so your point is ?????

FB11 21st Feb 2019 19:19

Very positive - PC over CV
 
Really good news, it’s been a long time coming to have an under represented person heading to the top of the organisation. Certainly those who have worked for her seem to regard her people skills highly.

Fascinated to see who the competitors were in the interviews - any gouge on who might have been considered?

I haven’t seen AM Gray’s career profile. Has she done any Joint time? (Not including DE&S, which doesn’t really count :}). Might be useful as the DG DSA across Defence. Or maybe not? Maybe ‘safety’ needs a new broom and not be pigeon holed into those who’ve filled the posts before who’ve taken more traditional route into the role. Change is good.

Tankertrashnav 21st Feb 2019 23:49


Can someone explain to a poor foreigner why a person AUTOMATICALLY gets a honor? Surely it's no "honor" if it's part of the job description???

Do you pay tax on it???
A "poor foreigner" need only look to his own country's honours system to see that things are no different there! Oh and you don't pay tax on it as there is no monetary advantage (enhanced pay or lump sum) involved in the appointment to British orders.

SlopJockey 22nd Feb 2019 11:29

Great to see.

DG DSA is not just a jobs for the boys in a number of ways.

Asturias56 22nd Feb 2019 13:09

Tanker trashnav - Tragically true - but still doesn't answer the question - why an AUTOMATIC honor?

Sounds like becoming Company MD and getting the parking slot next to the front door..............

gijoe 22nd Feb 2019 17:42


Originally Posted by teeteringhead (Post 10396881)
Ex Grunt

Well the Royal Marines have got a 2* for fewer than 8,000 ........... not much more ISTR than the strength of Brize - which is run by a Gp Capt.

And of course AM Grey's new post is a "purple" one with tri-service responsibilities.

so your point is ?????

His point is what does the AM lead?

What contribution to defence does whatever it is make?

3 Commando Brigade was on operations constantly for about 10 years...I canít imagine many RAF bits being able to claim that...


Harley Quinn 22nd Feb 2019 18:01


Originally Posted by gijoe (Post 10397742)


His point is what does the AM lead?

What contribution to defence does whatever it is make?

3 Commando Brigade was on operations constantly for about 10 years...I canít imagine many RAF bits being able to claim that...


Tornado force 30 years on ops
SH (Chinook, Puma) 30 years on ops.
JFH 12+ until ac withdrawn from service
Jaguar 16+ until ac withdrawn from service.

To be fair, those are just off the top of my head, there's probably plenty more out there.

Blimey, forgot the trucky fleet, just about forever getting all the other services in and out

ExAscoteer 22nd Feb 2019 18:22


Originally Posted by gijoe (Post 10397742)
3 Commando Brigade was on operations constantly for about 10 years...I canít imagine many RAF bits being able to claim that...



What an utterly ignorant post.


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