Flightradar24
 

Does anyone know if the Flightradar 24 app shows military aircraft? The reason I ask is there have been a number of occasions when out and about in Lincs when I have visually seen an RAF aircraft but it has not shown on the app. However, I have just had an '7700 alert' for an aircraft that appears to be turning and burning in the vicinity of Marham with the registration F35LTNG. I had assumed that military types would not be shown for possible security reasons?

Flightradar24 does indeed show "some" military aircraft, but is pretty rubbish in comparison to others. Try ADS-B Exchange instead. It's free, and shows more military stuff. You can even apply filters so that it only shows military stuff ;)

Probably only really a security issue if it identified where it was actually headed *to*, not where it had left from and where it was right at this moment. No different to looking up in the sky and seeing it fly over really.

Unless any aircraft,civil or military, is using a Mode 'S' transponder it will not show on either FR24 or SBS-1 equipment.
As a '7700' squawk indicates an emergency (possibly for test purposes) however, it will show up.

I think you have to pay to get access to the military stuff.

Saw an odd military one two days ago,a Thai military aircraft(737?) on a "Royal flight "coming from deepest Russia Kuy….something and heading for BKK.Perhaps a caviar run for the king?

Still free, I use it. Unfortunately, there is a "Midland Radar Overhead" type hole over Norfolk

Brize ATC probably claim the hole over Norfolk too.

F35 LTNG 7700
 

I watched this last night. I think, though I could stand to be corrected, that, as with "MayDay", you DON"T squawk 7700 for a "Practice Pan". As for viewing military aircraft, I can highly recommend 360 Radar. It must be good as my Raspberry Pi is feeding that site.

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On the contrary, You should look at how much detail is in the ADS-B ES ("Extended Squitter") broadcast. It provides a lot of performance information that may not be something you want to give away, and of course it also broadcasts accurate 3D positions that give a good insight into tactics both individual and formation. The ADS-B also broadcasts the equivalent of a MAC address that provides the airframe identity. All this is information that if you were to blog it on here would get you into a lot of security issues, but there is no problem with broadcasting the information in clear every half second to anyone that cares to look inside 200 miles. Indeed thanks to Iridium and their hosted ADS-B receiver payload, your complete flight and aircraft state information as you practice high energy 2 v 2 over the North Sea is available to anyone worldwide that wants to watch - tied to specific airframes .

It really is about time someone took this seriously as we are not only dealing with enthusiasts with a Rasberry Pi and a bent coathanger antenna.

And then there's the info ORAC listed 're weather satellites and unintended elint of air defence elements (which was also poohood by the illiterate)..

I expect MIL will just turn it off when things get serious. Just like military ships turning off AIS. Nothing could go wrong there, could it?

I was once asked by centre to put out a practice pan on 121.5 AND to squawk 7700, in order to train new D&D staff.

I think Ian W was alluding to the fact that aircraft performances and tactics may be able to be seen via ADS. Unless we are double bluffing and practising duff tactics in order to confuse the enemy?

FR24 does not publish Military tracks. Period.

Also, have a look at FAA BARR programme.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...orts-under-way

It doesnt stop people using a DVB reciever, available for less than a tenner, and hooking it up to PC enthusiast software. You can typically track everything with ads-B to about 100 NM, using a coat hanger aerial. Or so I am told.

Apart from that being technically illegal in the UK, in accordance with the wireless telegraphy act 2006.

There are feeds out there, ADSBExchange being the main one, that rather nefariously, doesnt filter military tracks, which isnt great.

Fact is, genie is outside the bottle now. ADS-B will become an essential requirement, certainly for civilian airspace. Tracking is now Global, thanks to the latest Iridium constellation, launched by Space-X, having a piggyback ADS-B reciever on board. You can pay for a feed now with global coverage. Its called aireon.

Are you sure about that? :)

Here's ZZ331, an RAF MRTT, coming home from Nellis after Red Flag 19-1.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f35881088.jpg

Your can click this link to follow the uh, military track for the next several hours:

https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR2717/1f85a615

Don't tell anybody := but here's yesterday's work on the Range, callsign GOLD25:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6761df007c.jpg

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Originally Posted by VinRouge (Post 10392052)

The voyagers aren’t owned by MoD though are they?

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Maybe they don't own this F-35B over RAF Marham? :confused:


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d75092d860.jpg



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1087675/RAF-jet-emergency-norfolk-f-35-lightning-fighter-RAF-Marham-Norfolk

I'm about 30k from LFBM and there is a lot of military activity some days, transport, helicopters and dogfights. Generally nothing shows up on FR24, but it seems the odd one does for some reason, but it's very rare.

Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006
 

Vin Rouge "Apart from that being technically illegal in the UK, in accordance with the wireless telegraphy act 2006." Which bit of the above act states that it is illegal to receive wireless signals, other than those used for the reception of television signals, for which a license is required? It is my understanding that in the UK it is NOT illegal to receive wireless signals outside the TV spectrum, BUT, that in certain cases, it is illegal to act on the information received, hence the massive payouts by certain newspapers, revealing information from hacked phone calls. So if I see an aircraft on my computer screen, with a callsign of, say, Kitty 1, and it is squawking 7700 and I then call my local TV station to tell them that an aircraft carrying HM Queen Elizabeth II is in distress, then I am breaking the law. (Oh and by the way, I don't use a wire coat hanger as an antenna, rather an eight element co-linear co-axial (CoCo) antenna which gives me reception of ADS-B out to about about 220nm.)

A342

Is it not still illegal to monitor the emergency services. It once was, but times change.

Emergency Services broadcast
 

Beardy,
I Believe that the emergency services use a system to broadcast and receive transmissions called trunking. Your average cheap scanner, in particular air band radios for the aviation enthusiast certainly can't do this. No, I don't know how it works and I've never understood the instructions on my iComm receiver showing how it works. I know that the PSNI not only use this but also use encrypted radio so I suspect that various other forces also encrypt their radios. As I said previously, if it IS legal to listen in to such transmissions, it is most certainly illegal to disseminate what you have heard. Perhaps those with MUCH more knowledge of the subject than I could help us out on this. Interestingly, am I breaking the law by feeding my ADS-B info to an American company based outside the UK legal and justice system. Similarly, if I feed the live position height and speed of Air Force One, is the US SS going to try and have me extradited for having revealed D J Trumps position to the world?

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Oddly enough, that F35LTNG with the AF351F hex code displays on FR24 for several different F-35's including this Israeli aircraft:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3991377756.jpg

It does, some.

Few weeks ago, big racket over Berkshire around 3am, FR24 showed mil transport into Brize ex NBO, presume with pax for Hereford as this was a couple of days after the hotel terror siege.

Great title from a Garmin page:

https://www.garmin.com/us/intheair/ads-b/squit/

If you want to view the map of flights without blocking you can click on this link (and play around with the settings to filter the planes if you like):

https://global.adsbexchange.com/Virt...r/desktop.html

Go to Global Radar View, Global Radar.

Lists of currently visible military aircraft are here:

https://www.adsbexchange.com/airborn...tary-aircraft/

The reason some Mil show on Flightradar is when the HEX code is wrong as they block us from seeing certain HEX e.g from RAF aircraft sow hen its wrong, they show e.g the Lighting the other day.

If the military aircraft does not turn on Mode S (or probably more usually leaves it in standby) then it will not show. There may be areas of airspace that require Mode S to be turned on - then you will see it. If the military aircraft sets emergency on its transponder, then the emergency is automatically sent on all modes - hence the emergency indication seen on Mode S from the F-35. At the end of the day, the presence on the screen for Mode S/squitter depends upon what the aircrew set on their transponder and their emission control instructions.

They actually come from different feed networks. FR24 has much better worldwide coverage but as you say is, for the most part, filtered.

Depends where they are. I will also add that a Mode S interrogation will trigger a mode 3 response and so Mode S in standby is no big deal.

Interestingly, ADSB with military filter applied currently shows a German registered hot air balloon travelling south at some speed and 20000' across the Netherlands...:p

Experiment with menu=> layout and see what suits you best. The screen can have three parts: a map, a list of all the a/c on the map, and details of the highlighted a/c.