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MPN11 4th Feb 2019 12:19


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10379956)
MPN, in the CW any aircraft capable of attacking the UK would not have needed to see its target - conventional or nuclear.

When Fencer aircraft could reach East Anglia their mapping and navigation kit would have got them on target even without radar or visual acquisition.

I wonder why we were allowed to keep working on the subject? Oh, well, water under the bridge.

weemonkey 4th Feb 2019 12:26

Actually looking again it seems to suffer from pixilation as soon as it gets the clouds as a backdrop..?

weemonkey 4th Feb 2019 12:41


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 10379968)
Personally, I thought the US mil got its #### together re uniform camouflage in the mid-80s to early 2000s - 3 schemes (woodland, arctic, desert) that seemed to perfectly fit their intended environment while affording the US a look that set them apart from other nations (surely, part of the role of a uniform). They could have added a fourth more specifically tailored to Afghanistan if they needed to, but the environment hasn't changed so why did the camo need

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....62f0843256.jpg
I'd be a bit bashful too with that backdrop! Still 1000% inprovement on the predecessor .


MPN11 4th Feb 2019 14:13

“I can’t see you, Sergeant Williams!”


Oops ... wrong Thread! :)

Deskscribbler 4th Feb 2019 18:34

Sorry if I'm being a bit daft (or stating the bleeding obvious) - but isn't the 'footage' from a computer game? Specifically the 'LockOn' or 'Digital Combat Simulator' series? The Russian media used the same game to present 'satellite photos' of a 'Su-27 downing MH17' a while ago...

Thrust Augmentation 4th Feb 2019 19:53

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5e55cb54c.jpeg

B-24D 41-23689 "Minerva".

More interesting assembly ships HERE


Stitchbitch 5th Feb 2019 06:27

For info interests sake, which F15 is easier to spot in visual range, the light grey C or the ‘shoot me down grey’ E?

Hipper 5th Feb 2019 09:25


Originally Posted by Thrust Augmentation (Post 10380354)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5e55cb54c.jpeg

B-24D 41-23689 "Minerva".

More interesting assembly ships HERE

Thanks or that.

I love the one about a third the way down where a Liberator has tail damage caused by a collision with 'another Liberator who didn't see her and got too close'!

Davef68 5th Feb 2019 12:01


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 10378972)
I've often wondered why grey has prevailed for medium/high altitude ops, particularly in the west. PRU blue was the standard finish during WW2 and it certainly seemed to work well.

Depends what you are trying to hide from - PRU blue was used to hide from beneath, both ground and air fo air, but stood out like a sore thumb from above over cloud (Hence the High fighter scheme used PRU blue underneath but Medium Sea grey on top, as there may be a threat looking down)

MPN11 5th Feb 2019 14:30

My deleted post about other Asembly Ships suggests I should leave the discussion to others. Enjoy.

langleybaston 5th Feb 2019 14:55


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10381017)
My deleted post about other Asembly Ships suggests I should leave the discussion to others. Enjoy.

That is a ill-judged deletion, I did indeed enjoy the contribution, and these incredible assemblers were an eye-opener, if not a blinder! Thank you.

Tiger G 5th Feb 2019 19:57


Originally Posted by Deskscribbler (Post 10380277)
Sorry if I'm being a bit daft (or stating the bleeding obvious) - but isn't the 'footage' from a computer game? Specifically the 'LockOn' or 'Digital Combat Simulator' series? The Russian media used the same game to present 'satellite photos' of a 'Su-27 downing MH17' a while ago...


That's what I was wondering in my initial post.....is it real or fake ?? :confused:. I didn't think the Eagle driver would have banked away like that so he / she had no visual on the SU ?? :confused:

TEEEJ 5th Feb 2019 22:28


Originally Posted by Tiger G (Post 10381320)
That's what I was wondering in my initial post.....is it real or fake ?? :confused:. I didn't think the Eagle driver would have banked away like that so he / she had no visual on the SU ?? :confused:

Less aggressive in this video Su-27/F-16 over the Baltic.


Deskscribbler 5th Feb 2019 23:04


Originally Posted by Tiger G (Post 10381320)
That's what I was wondering in my initial post.....is it real or fake ?? :confused:. I didn't think the Eagle driver would have banked away like that so he / she had no visual on the SU ?? :confused:

It's bizarre, I'll give it that! If it's real, it's very odd indeed - and knowing the Russian's love of fakery at the moment you never know...


meleagertoo 6th Feb 2019 09:50


Originally Posted by Monarch Man (Post 10378522)
Lets be honest an interception is designed to show presence and a response, a little negative G and top rudder would have made the Flanker driver look silly and unprofessional.

I'm doubtless not the only one unversed in combat tactics who doesn't understand the significance of that. Can you describe the why's and wherefores of that manoeuvre?

NutLoose 6th Feb 2019 11:25

'Twas the Flanker that departed, the F15 remained, so far from being chased away... as for the he wouldn't see him turn, his wingman would as I assume he was filming it.

hoodie 7th Feb 2019 07:50

Filming was from an intercepted Russian aircraft, apparently. Source of video is Russian, anyway.

Asturias56 7th Feb 2019 07:58

I think camouflage is wise.

But painting every plane the same is stupid.... simple OCR can pick up a known pattern pretty quick. You should use the colours and the general design but vary it from.plane to plane at random.. but that's not the military way I guess........

weemonkey 9th Feb 2019 22:20

O/T
 

Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10380074)
“I can’t see you, Sergeant Williams!”


Oops ... wrong Thread! :)

Close!! Just need to get rid of obviously human round heads, pink faces and stupid black guns!! Note how black unit marking stands out on the helmet of observer!

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ef224d49d5.jpg

Asturias56 10th Feb 2019 09:28

and the flag.......................


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