Russian aircraft code names.
Learned contributors, When did we stop allocating 'code names' to Russian aircraft ? I notice the recent deployment of the ELINT version of the the Tupolev TU-214 airliner the TU214R ELINT aircraft in Syria but can not find any reference to a NATO code name for this aircraft. any help or suggestions, please. Thanks in anticipation for your time and trouble. Be lucky David p.s. If the mods consider this more appropriate please move to spectators balcony -though it is a serious question |
I think the ASCC (?) still does this, although they are not so well published as before.
Tryhttp://www.designation-systems.net/non-us/soviet.html |
I think your linked list includes some guesses and enthusiast allocated reporting names, like 'Flatpack', and 'Fulcrum-E'......
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There are also anomalies. COOT A should have an M name as it is not a Cargo aircraft and actually is nearer a MAY than a COOT.
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No-one has mentioned the dreaded ****e-Hawk.
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
(Post 10299878)
There are also anomalies. COOT A should have an M name as it is not a Cargo aircraft and actually is nearer a MAY than a COOT.
MAY (the MPA) was developed from COOT (the Transport aircraft ). |
Yes, but Coot-A is not a cargo aircraft, any more than a Nimord R1 was:
https://theaviationist.com/wp-conten...terception.jpg |
The ASCC is now long gone and new reporting designators abandoned. There were many ,sometimes amusing, anomalies over the years.
The Il -20 COOT A et. seq. nicknames (they weren't "code names") were in line with An-12 CUBs B,C and D which were dedicated recce/ELINT versions of the basic transport , indeed there were some similar versions of the Il-14 CRATE as late as the mid 70's. The Il-38 MAY was a pretty major rework of the basic Il-18 airframe with a lot of fundamental external visual changes and so justified the new designator. All history now. |
Am I correct in remembering that ASCC codenames should be in capitals only? I think so, but it's been a while....
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer
(Post 10300142)
Rubbish!
MAY (the MPA) was developed from COOT (the Transport aircraft ). |
COOT A should have an M name as it is not a Cargo aircraft and actually is nearer a MAY than a COOT. |
The Multirole Fighter Interceptor (MFI) got its 'Flatpack' name courtesy of 'Uncle Roger' AKA Roger Bacon, writing in Flight International's 'Straight & Level'.
MiG MFI - FlatPack |
It's actually the aircraft that the BBC leases from Ivan to chase up people who do not have a TV license.
NATO has given it the code name 'ScrapLicense' https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f896d226bc.jpg |
For those who still don't know, the 'BBC' is Cyrillic for 'VVS'.
The markings mean Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily Rossii - 'Russian Air Force'. |
Originally Posted by Haraka
(Post 10300332)
It isn't .
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PN did you read my #8?
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Originally Posted by Haraka
(Post 10301299)
PN did you read my #8?
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The new Sukhoi SU-57 has a code name FELON.
So why not the Tupolev TU-214R in my original question? Thanks for your time and trouble David |
For AvgasDinosaur:
p.s. If the mods consider this more appropriate please move to spectators balcony -though it is a serious question Carry on. |
Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur
(Post 10685684)
The new MiG 57 has a code name FELON.
.... As a general remark. Arrogant Pentagon strategists who give names to Russian planes while picking their noses sitting in armchairs, seem to have quite a limited vocabulary. All the nicknames they come up with sound like a street slang of guys who hardly finished school. I recall Tu-22 was once given a reporting name "Beauty" which was found too complimentary and quickly changed to "Blinder". |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10686067)
What is MiG-57???
As a general remark. Arrogant Pentagon strategists who give names to Russian planes while picking their noses sitting in armchairs, seem to have quite a limited vocabulary. All the nicknames they come up with sound like a street slang of guys who hardly finished school. I recall Tu-22 was once given a reporting name "Beauty" which was found too complimentary and quickly changed to "Blinder".
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10685618)
David |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10686067)
As a general remark.
Arrogant Pentagon strategists who give names to Russian planes while picking their noses sitting in armchairs, seem to have quite a limited vocabulary. All the nicknames they come up with sound like a street slang of guys who hardly finished school. |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10686067)
What is MiG-57???
As a general remark. Arrogant Pentagon strategists who give names to Russian planes while picking their noses sitting in armchairs, seem to have quite a limited vocabulary. All the nicknames they come up with sound like a street slang of guys who hardly finished school. I recall Tu-22 was once given a reporting name "Beauty" which was found too complimentary and quickly changed to "Blinder". IIRC they have to be usable across the whole of NATO so there are issues regarding pronunciation - also you have to avoid confusion with other types - both in service and historical............... |
Russsian Aircraft Nicknames
Yes, they had to understandable throughout NATO but also our own. As for pronunciation issues, I remember the HOUND helicopter which fortunately left service before the HIND entered. We mused that the Household Division would have been in a frightful tizz over which Hind they were reporting
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Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10686067)
Arrogant Pentagon strategists who give names to Russian planes while picking their noses sitting in armchairs
Not srategists, just a bunch of Intel folks and not in the Pentagon. Wrong side of the pond. The most likely venue was a back room somewhere in Mons, or in Paris before that. Fishbed? Yeah, it's a Fighter. (IIRC, MiG 21) 1. The nicknames were derived for NATO Standardization across 16 nations. 2. Official NATO languages: (UK) English and French. 3. The names had to include phonetic keys, such as F for Fighters and B for Bombers, C for Cargo. (Hence Frogfoot, Backfire, Cub, etc) and so on (with of course a few exceptions) and all helicopters had to start with an H: Helix, Hind, Havoc, Hormone, etc. 4. The NATO phonetic alphabet likewise changed from the original phonetic alphabet that the US Army used in WW II: The US original version began Able Baker Charlie Dog, Easy, Fox, the NATO version began Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta, Echo, Foxtrot. (There was a STANAG on that as I recall ... that's in the dusty attic of my memory) |
Well, the MiG-15 was originally allocated the reporting name 'Falcon', but this was deemed too laudatory -as I have seen it described by one publication- and it was changed to 'Fagot'. Our friend in Russia may indeed have a point about complimentary names.
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Something in the back of my mind says that the names used were given a higher level of classification post Cold War, which is why none were publicly given for Tu204, Mig MFI, S-37 etc, but that could just be my aged grey cells kicking in.
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We mused that the Household Division would have been in a frightful tizz over which Hind they were reporting |
Originally Posted by Crromwellman
(Post 10686131)
Yes, they had to understandable throughout NATO but also our own. As for pronunciation issues, I remember the HOUND helicopter which fortunately left service before the HIND entered. We mused that the Household Division would have been in a frightful tizz over which Hind they were reporting
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10686191)
That's a swing and a miss.
Not srategists, just a bunch of Intel folks and not in the Pentagon.
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10686191)
Wrong side of the pond.
The most likely venue was a back room somewhere in Mons, or in Paris before that. Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Soviet Aircraft Codenames |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 10686332)
Something in the back of my mind says that the names used were given a higher level of classification post Cold War, which is why none were publicly given for Tu204, Mig MFI, S-37 etc, but that could just be my aged grey cells kicking in.
Why would they do that? |
I can’t imagine that offending the delicate sensitivities of Russians had anything to do with it. More likely they deliberately chose ugly/dull names to avoid any possibility of confusion with the dynamic/powerful names commonly used by Western operators.
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Originally Posted by fantom
(Post 10299927)
No-one has mentioned the dreaded ****e-Hawk.
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 10686604)
I can’t imagine that offending the delicate sensitivities of Russians had anything to do with it. More likely they deliberately chose ugly/dull names to avoid any possibility of confusion with the dynamic/powerful names commonly used by Western operators.
This sounds implausible, but there may be some truth in it, since during the saga of the RAF”s (non) procurement of the F-111, there is a note to be found in the files at Kew explicitly rejecting Firebolt as a possible name for the type. This was on the grounds that it might be confused over a degraded comms system with FIREBAR, and the principle of avoiding confusion of this sort through the same or easily-misheard names was noted as being a valid one to uphold. (We ended up choosing ‘Merlin’ as the F-111 name, as the alternative of ‘Harrogate’ was deemed a little uninspiring) |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10686434)
Really? It all started shortly after the WWII, before NATO stepped in or even was established, AFAIK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_E...bility_Council |
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