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Melchett01 5th Oct 2018 22:21

First Joint Graduation at RAFC Cranwell
 
I notice that we had a joint graduation at Cranwell during the week with Recruits, CWO and Officer Cadets all graduating from the same parade.

Good to see a full parade square again, but hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.

newt 6th Oct 2018 06:48

Well I suppose they have to do something with the Old place! Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, I’m disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!

Yellow Sun 6th Oct 2018 08:12


Originally Posted by newt (Post 10267144)
Well I suppose they have to do something with the Old place! Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, I’m disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!

I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?

YS

BEagle 6th Oct 2018 09:36

newt wrote:

Every time I drive by expecting to see the circuit full of aircraft, I’m disappointed! Hard to think that the sky was once full of JPs and young men learning to fly!
And at Leeming, Linton-on-Ouse and Syerston even in my first year at RAFC...:hmm:

What's at RAFC Cranwell these days? A few Ford Prefects and 3 Phenoms?

Door Slider 6th Oct 2018 12:05

I thought it was to celebrate RAF100 not a new regular policy.

camelspyyder 6th Oct 2018 13:44

Yes it was for RAF 100, but it's good practice for the future if recruit training is still moving back to Lincolnshire.

Dutystude 6th Oct 2018 17:17


Originally Posted by Yellow Sun (Post 10267185)


I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?

YS

Memory can play tricks as we are finding out this week in the Senate. So I am a little sceptical.

To have 32 JPs airborne, at the same time, with an average sortie length of 1 hour requires a launch rate of 32 aircraft per hour: one ac every 2 min.

We were certainly far busier back in the day but I don’t recall launching anything like that number unless perhaps for a College Grad - even then 32 ac would seem unlikely.

Stuff 6th Oct 2018 21:52


Originally Posted by Melchett01 (Post 10266984)
hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.

Like the closure of RAF Halton that was announced in Nov 2017?

Yellow Sun 7th Oct 2018 07:36


Originally Posted by Dutystude (Post 10267496)

Memory can play tricks as we are finding out this week in the Senate. So I am a little sceptical.

To have 32 JPs airborne, at the same time, with an average sortie length of 1 hour requires a launch rate of 32 aircraft per hour: one ac every 2 min.

We were certainly far busier back in the day but I don’t recall launching anything like that number unless perhaps for a College Grad - even then 32 ac would seem unlikely.

I will concede that time dims the recollection, however it sticks in my mind that the number of aircraft airborne was exceptional. It was not only JPs, but CAW Dominies. Friday afternoon may have been exceptional for them as well! It was also the period when CFS were resident at Cranwell and that increased the numbers.

Whatever, it was more than a RAF station would probably achieve today on other than a special occasion. The most I recall on a graduation flypast was 22 aircraft including whip and spares.

YS

Pontius Navigator 7th Oct 2018 07:51

I recall a story, tall may be, at Middleton St George, 16-ship Javelin formation running in met a 24-ship Hunter formation running the other way. Quick as a flash the sharper Hunter leader called "You break PORT, we'll break STARBOARD"

40 trumps 32.

Fareastdriver 7th Oct 2018 09:05


I recall being Duty QFI at Cranwell one Friday afternoon. It was 1615 and we had an empty circuit but there were 32 aircraft airborne. Everyone was down by 1655, all visual recoveries. I wonder if that would happen these days?
It couldn't have happened at Oakington. At 1655 we were all in the bar waiting for the shutters to go up.

aw ditor 7th Oct 2018 15:52

Newcy' Amber or Brown?

langleybaston 7th Oct 2018 17:08


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10267808)
I recall a story, tall may be, at Middleton St George, 16-ship Javelin formation running in met a 24-ship Hunter formation running the other way. Quick as a flash the sharper Hunter leader called "You break PORT, we'll break STARBOARD"

40 trumps 32.

Humour an old Met Man : would this not risk a collision [or do I have sense of humour failure]?

Pontius Navigator 7th Oct 2018 19:28

LB, that is what the Javelin leader thought too and turned 'tother way.

langleybaston 7th Oct 2018 20:04

Yep! Sense of humour failure combined with ignorance ..........powerful stuff.
Thank you.

Melchett01 7th Oct 2018 23:20


Originally Posted by Stuff (Post 10267634)
Like the closure of RAF Halton that was announced in Nov 2017?

Yes, a friend mentioned that after my posting here. In my defence I’m now far more Joint than I am RAF and I don’t keep track of the ins and outs of what the RAF is doing, especially in the training environment. Hence my surprise when I saw the posts on social media about it, but hadn’t heard much comment elsewhere.

I’m assuming from the photos it was a former AAC Pilot with the PFB and medals in amongst the graduating officers. If correct and he has come across from the AAC, how does that work his wearing an RAF flying badge if he has passed an Army course of instruction?

Stitchbitch 8th Oct 2018 06:00

CWO? Isn’t that a US Army term? Does the RAF run a knife and fork class for WOs similar to the Army, and if so, do they pass out as Sqn/Ldr (Major)?

Toadstool 8th Oct 2018 08:25


Originally Posted by Stitchbitch (Post 10268432)
CWO? Isn’t that a US Army term? Does the RAF run a knife and fork class for WOs similar to the Army, and if so, do they pass out as Sqn/Ldr (Major)?

There is the Commisioned Warrant Officer Course and they pass out as a Flt Lt.

ancientaviator62 8th Oct 2018 11:11

In my day as a Master Aircrew I did the full course and a bit . Started at Henlow then after a month 'they' decided to send a guinea pig flight to Cranwell to join the Student Officers Course. So off I went. Passed out as a F/O on a course awash with instant F/L.

lsh 8th Oct 2018 11:23


Originally Posted by Melchett01 (Post 10266984)
I notice that we had a joint graduation at Cranwell during the week with Recruits, CWO and Officer Cadets all graduating from the same parade.

Good to see a full parade square again, but hopefully not a precedent to close another Station.

It would be good if they could continue with this; I am sure it is beneficial to all to "start out" together.

lsh


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