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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 10249200)
Would that be old Sticky? :E
Perhaps they need to dust off the old skyhook concept tested on the Harrier https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....26696fc3be.jpg |
Skyhook was always a non starter, because in every illustration of the mother ship, there's a clearly visible Helipad, and Harriers can land on them without all the bother of the long mechanical arm. In the same way the rationale for the “through deck cruiser” was to have an aircraft capable ship on the edges of the outer screen to allow a Bear D to be intercepted as it slipped in and out of cover targeting the CTG for submarine launched missiles - a frigate would be able to serve the same purpose. No need for more than one or two - the same role as performed by the Cat launched Hurricanes in WWII. |
Originally Posted by friartuck
(Post 10249105)
blowing up the picture you can see the two items to the right of the Goalkeeper (or whatever) look like TV camera's - so the Great God PR probably wanted a nice railing-less shot of the ship cleaving the deep blue seas...................
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And so happens...... https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...ding-aircraft/ South Korea to build ship for STOVL aircraft SEOUL — South Korea is to launch a new version of a large-deck landing ship from which short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft can operate by the late 2020s, amid naval buildups in China and Japan. The decision was made during a July 12 meeting of top brass presided over by Gen. Park Han-ki, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Anti-Japanese sentiment in South Korea is gaining traction over Tokyo’s export restrictions on high-tech materials to South Korea. “The plan of building the LPH-II ship has been included in a long-term force buildup plan,” said a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs, speaking on condition of anonymity and using an acronym for “landing platform helicopter.” “Once a preliminary research is completed within a couple of years, the shipbuilding plan is expected to be included in the midterm acquisition list,” the spokesman added. The new LPH is to displace 30,000 tons, double the capacity of the previous two LPHs — Dokdo and Marado — with 14,500 tons of displacement. The carrier-type vessel is also bigger than the 27,000 tons associated with Japan’s Izumo-class helicopter destroyers. “It’s the first time that a light aircraft carrier-class ship is pursued under South Korea’s force improvement plans,” Kim Dae-young, an analyst at the Seoul-based Korea Research Institute for National Strategy, told Defense News. “It’s also a symbolic and meaningful step to upgrade the country’s naval capability against potential threats posed by Japan and China.”....... |
I just can't see where they'll use it - they sit right in the middle of he area and its all easily accessible from land
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Alert 5 » These are the two aircraft carrier designs South Korea is considering - Military Aviation News
These are the two aircraft carrier designs South Korea is consideringTwo aircraft carrier solutions are being studied by South Korea’s military. The first is a 70,000 ton design that can carry 32 fighters along with 8 helicopters while the second design is 40,000 with 12 fighters and 8 helicopters. The bigger ship will require nearly 1400 personnel to operate while the smaller vessel requires halve the manpower.https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....60285ebd6c.jpg https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2019101009377644381 |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10591843)
Alert 5 » These are the two aircraft carrier designs South Korea is considering - Military Aviation News
These are the two aircraft carrier designs South Korea is consideringTwo aircraft carrier solutions are being studied by South Korea’s military. The first is a 70,000 ton design that can carry 32 fighters along with 8 helicopters while the second design is 40,000 with 12 fighters and 8 helicopters. The bigger ship will require nearly 1400 personnel to operate while the smaller vessel requires halve the manpower.https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....60285ebd6c.jpg https://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2019101009377644381 |
South Korea to buy 20 F-35Bs under phase 2 of FX III ? Alert 5
South Korea to buy 20 F-35Bs under phase 2 of FX III Media reports from South Korea says Seoul has decided that it will buy 20 F-35B stealth fighters for the phase 2 of its FX III fighter program. The country bought 40 F-35A fighters under phase of the FX III. The original plan was to buy another 20 A models so that the Air Force could replace its aging F-4 and F-5 fighters with 60 F-35As. This plan is now disrupted as the new F-35Bs are slated to operate from a new aircraft carrier that Seoul intends to commission into service in the next decade. Last year, it was reported that the country is studying two aircraft carrier designs, one is a 70,000 ton design that can carry 32 fighters along with 8 helicopters while the second design is 40,000 ton carrying 12 fighters and 8 helicopters. However, these two designs uses the Catapult Assisted Take-Off Barrier Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) approach. The move to buy the F-35B could signal that the country is leaning towards the Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL) configuration that is employed by Britain, Italy and Spain for their carriers. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5df904cef.jpeg |
The RN might sell/rent them a carrier..................
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Sorry, already spoken for following the recent crisping up of one of their Wasp class.
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But the RN have two ................. unless the Brazilians have first call???
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South Korea?s 2021-2025 defense blueprint reveals plan for light aircraft carrier and indigenous Iron Dome system ? Alert 5
South Korea’s 2021-2025 defense blueprint reveals plan for light aircraft carrier and indigenous Iron Dome system South Korea’s Ministry of Defense has revealed its 2021-2025 mid-term defense blueprint today. The ministry says it will start the process to acquire a light aircraft carrier from next year and to develop an indigenous Iron Dome missile interceptor system. A graphic handed out by the ministry shows the light aircraft carrier that is similar in shape and size to the U.S. amphibious assault ships. However, it has a longer island and two smoke funnels instead of one. There is no angle deck or catapult system. Confirmation that the ship will be equipped with the F-35B instead...... https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7473c6979.jpeg |
Final design of South Korea?s light aircraft carrier ? Alert 5
Final design of South Korea’s light aircraft carrier https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....72e9f7465.jpeg South Korea’s JoongAng Ilbo daily newspaper has obtained a computer rendering of the final design of the light aircraft carrier that Seoul plans to build.While sources in the Navy claims that this is not the final design, there will not be much changes to the appearance of the ship in the final form.The carrier is based on the America-class and British Queen Elizabeth-class. It will not have a ski-jump or well deck like USS America. It will have two islands similiar to the British carrier. While one island is for navigating the ship and the other for flight deck control. The South Koreans are adopting two islands so that one island can still operate the ship if the other is damaged during an attack. The aircraft elevators are both on the starboard side. This approach was chosen in order to give more space to the flight deck. The carrier will not have an organic airborne early warning capability, the task force will rely on a destroyer with powerful radar to scan the skies while F-35Bs will provide additional air surveillance coverage if necessary. The daily says this concept mirrors the Italian approach that will be practice on ITS Cavour. For protection against airborne threats, the ship will be armed with a Close-In Weapons System (CIWS) and the Surface-to-Air Anti-Missile (SAAM) from LIG Nex1. For more information, hit the Source below Source |
https://inf.news/en/military/3ebf76a...ce65d039d.html
https://www.defensenews.com/industry...rrier-designs/ South Korean shipbuilders unveil competing carrier designs BUSAN, South Korea — Two shipbuilders have each displayed their conceptual designs for the South Korean Navy’s future light aircraft carrier, code-named CVX. The South Korean companies unveiled their offerings at the four-day International Maritime Defense Industry Exhibition, a biennial naval defense show, which began June 9 in the southern port city of Busan. The MADEX show is taking place four months after South Korea’s arms procurement agency announced the government tentatively earmarked about $2 billion to build a homemade 30,000-ton aircraft carrier to enter service by 2033. The Defense Ministry is conducting a feasibility study of the project for final approval by the National Assembly. Hyundai Heavy Industries’ model Hyundai Heavy Industries, which had won a contract for the conceptual design of the CVX last year, unveiled an offering that featured a modular, ski jump-styled takeoff ramp, a key feature akin to the British Royal Navy’s Queen Elizabeth class. The shipyard displayed a 1-to-400 scale model of its proposed carrier, which would be 270 meters long and 60 meters wide. The carrier, with its twin island superstructures, would have a displacement of 30,000-35,000 tons and a full-load displacement of 450,000-500,000 tons, according to an HHI spokesman…. The carrier would be able to carry up to 16 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft on its flight deck and a further eight in its hanger…… https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00d9a82a1.jpeg Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering’s model Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering showcased a 1-to-125 scale model of its CVX proposal, which also features a twin-island arrangement but no ski jump ramp…. According to the dockyard, the proposed carrier would be 263 meter longs and 46.6 meters wide. It has a full displacement of 45,000 tons with a maximum sailing speed of 27 knots. The carrier would be capable of carrying up to 16 STOVL fighter jets on its flight deck and 12 more in its hanger.…. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8416ea421.jpeg |
Apparently I cant post picture
Hyundai one has a deck for launching drones https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/m...png?quality=60 and has a well deck https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/m...png?quality=60 |
What is the USN/USMC objection to the ski-jump? I read somewhere recently that it is a "political" matter. It seems strange that such an important performance-enhancer is ignored.
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 11060905)
What is the USN/USMC objection to the ski-jump? I read somewhere recently that it is a "political" matter. It seems strange that such an important performance-enhancer is ignored.
Anyone know more? A ski jump would restrict parking and access to the area forward of the island. When operating lots of different aircraft on what is a relatively small deck, that's an issue. The other thing to remember is that helo ops are the primary role of those ships. STOVL aircraft are generally only a quarter of the AE on the ship. |
Buffon is on the right track I believe. I did a 6 month cruise as a part of a Marine expeditionary unit many moons ago. As the primary job of the ship was to get Marines ashore, the bulk of the aviation assets were rotary wing with 4 or 5 Harriers attached.
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16,000 ton UAV carrier….
South Korea's Hanwha Group unveiled this futuristic "Ghost Commander" UAV carrier concept at the #MADEX2023 military expo. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1ef51b281.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....32db29303.jpeg |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11448214)
16,000 ton UAV carrier….
South Korea's Hanwha Group unveiled this futuristic "Ghost Commander" UAV carrier concept at the #MADEX2023 military expo. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1ef51b281.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....32db29303.jpeg |
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