Has anyone been able to confirm/disprove the rumour mentioned earlier reference a dent in the cabin roof? (Post #99)
I can't find anything around the usual sites. |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 10225108)
ME pilots do not need to fly at bank angles in excess of 30 deg AoB in the aircraft at all. If necessary, they can do that in the simulator.
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer
(Post 10225407)
Really? Nimrod routinely did.
Every rule has an exception |
One problem with a simulator is that the pilot does not get any normal acceleration cues to his body (ie. g). If you have an aircraft that needs to fly at more than 30 deg of bank and the manoeuvre stability is such that you need to trim into the turn (Phenom and Nimrod), the pilot will use g cues, albeit subconsciously, when flying the task. Therefore, training for these tasks really needs to be flown in the aeroplane and not just in the simulator.
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
(Post 10225326)
Has anyone been able to confirm/disprove the rumour mentioned earlier reference a dent in the cabin roof? (Post #99)
I can't find anything around the usual sites. |
Originally Posted by LOMCEVAK
(Post 10225652)
One problem with a simulator is that the pilot does not get any normal acceleration cues to his body (ie. g). If you have an aircraft that needs to fly at more than 30 deg of bank and the manoeuvre stability is such that you need to trim into the turn (Phenom and Nimrod), the pilot will use g cues, albeit subconsciously, when flying the task. Therefore, training for these tasks really needs to be flown in the aeroplane and not just in the simulator.
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A simulator In a centrifuge is being commissioned at Cranwell right now. It has interchangeable |
Originally Posted by Timelord
(Post 10225754)
A simulator In a centrifuge is being commissioned at Cranwell right now. It has interchangeable cockpits although I don’t think any ME types are included. @Bose-X. Thank you. It will be interesting to see how that damaged was caused. |
It will be interesting to see how that damaged was caused. One hopes the - ahem - 'formation practice' was properly briefed and authorised. In the mean time, will the L3 RAF ME candidates (100 over three years) be getting any formation exposure on their L3 type, which looks as if it's the DA42 ...... or will they have to wait until they transition to the Phenom ? LFH ............ |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 10223323)
Fair enough. I shall concede. I have nothing left to say on the issue. All I can say is that my logbook for the last year looks pretty healthy. BV You've made a concerted effort on a number of different threads in recent months, to convince the assembled forum that all's 'fine and dandy' at MFTS (North Wales branch). I just wondered whether or not it was true that a number of satirical posters had recently appeared in various Valley locations, expressing apparent student discontent with the current 3 year hold, and if so, hoped you might give us all 'your take' on the sentiment&issues highlighted? I appreciate you have a healthy logbook over the last 12 months, what about everyone else? |
Originally Posted by Typhoondriver
(Post 10236705)
Hello Bob,
You've made a concerted effort on a number of different threads in recent months, to convince the assembled forum that all's 'fine and dandy' at MFTS (North Wales branch). I just wondered whether or not it was true that a number of satirical posters had recently appeared in various Valley locations, expressing apparent student discontent with the current 3 year hold, and if so, hoped you might give us all 'your take' on the sentiment&issues highlighted? I appreciate you have a healthy logbook over the last 12 months, what about everyone else? Bob is a company man, so don't expect any real insights in his response, if any, but you could maybe ask him how many students graduated on the most recent T2 course, and how many were chopped. The same question about the current course would, I am sure, enlighten the people who have been holding for years. p.s. How many students in total, have been chopped from the T2 since the new management took over a few years ago? I don't know (of) anyone in a better position to answer those questions than Bob Viking. |
How many students in total, have been chopped from the T2 since the new management took over a few years ago? |
ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL45.
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Originally Posted by Big Eric
(Post 10240419)
ZM335 departed Waddington this afternoon as CWL45.
Still no news on how/what? |
There seems to be some low-level muttering about the RAF multi-engine cadets at L3 (who are apparently on the DA42 at Bournemouth ) allegedly getting flying priority over the L3 civvie studes - who have to pay upwards of £80k for their ATPL courses.
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And for more accommodation costs if their course takes longer than planned
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Are the ‘mutterings’ because the RAF students aren’t paying for their training whereas the civvy students are? Do they think the former are getting it for free? The taxpayer is picking up the tab and presumably at a price that L3 are content with. Maybe there’s a clause in the contract that penalises L3 for delays in the RAF courses? As a taxpayer I’m delighted that a contracted-out service is not being strung out but that the operator is getting on with things. It does make a sharp contrast with that other contractor, Ascent.... |
Originally Posted by Ken Scott
(Post 10241394)
Are the ‘mutterings’ because the RAF students aren’t paying for their training whereas the civvy students are? Do they think the former are getting it for free? The taxpayer is picking up the tab and presumably at a price that L3 are content with. Maybe there’s a clause in the contract that penalises L3 for delays in the RAF courses? As a taxpayer I’m delighted that a contracted-out service is not being strung out but that the operator is getting on with things. It does make a sharp contrast with that other contractor, Ascent.... RAF Students have gone through a different process to "qualify" to be on that course. Did they get it free, or have they committed other aspects of their lives, rather than take the financial hit of borrowing the money to pay for their training? How do you put a fiscal value on the lifestyle restrictions of a Junior Officer and the commitment of deadly ops in the future, against the fact that that civvy students "only" have to borrow the money, and nobody at the schools cares what tattoos or previous convictions a student might have? The military selection process, certainly when I served, demanded a standard of personal values which the civilian, business model, is immune from. That, to my mind, makes them different. Not necessarily better, one way or the other, just different. However, we have now drifted into dangerous waters where both streams (pun caption on) of students are mixing in a training environment. Perhaps any unhappy civvy students need to just accept that deeper pockets bring shorter courses. On the other side, the chances of actually flying an aircraft, after completion of the course, seems much higher for the civvy people. |
Not the first time in recent history the ME Stream was contracted out'. When 5 FTS at Oakington closed in the mid 70s' and with the then Jetstream engine problems and eventual mothballing' the Stream was closed down for 'ab initios'; it was retreads only' at Hamble on Beech Barons.. Stream eventually re-started at Leeming ISTR.
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Judging by the respective dates involved - “The first class of students will begin training with L3 in August 2018.” and the likely relative numbers – ‘100 trainee pilots over a three years contract’ this may be less to do with the small RAF element and more to do with the very large number of civvie studes and a possible organisational shortage of flying hours. The RAF tailored course is described as “similar to a Commercial Pilot License (CPL) with Instrument Rating (IR) as well as the Multi-Crew Cooperation (MCC) course to supplement the RAF’s own training. ............. https://www.pilotcareernews.com/l3-t...or-raf-pilots/ I don’t imagine that involves formal licence exams other than what is necessary to do the course flying so perhaps six months total with L3. L3 claim business relationships with a couple of dozen airlines, in addition to those student individuals who enrol on spec, wholly at their own expense and risk. They currently have ten ground and flying training establishments since they took over CTC a year or so ago. ................hthttps://www.l3airlineacademy.com/about/academy-locations That looks a bit too large to be disrupted by a few Acting Pilot Officers unless the RAF has pulled everyone off hold and front-loaded the contract. Half a dozen RAF studes every two months perhaps, for, say, sixty hours flying ? Including no formation. If the first batch turned up for course induction and type conversion ground school on August 1st, they can hardly be hogging the flying before the end of the month as was suggested on the last two pages of this thread. ........... https://www.pprune.org/interviews-jo...t-2-a-242.html That suggests there may be other reasons for any possible flying hold ups (at Bournemouth) and (of course) other reasons for the ‘mutterings.’ LFH ..................... |
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