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wub 17th Jul 2018 19:29

Lockheed Martin loops Hercules at Farnborough 2018
 

Heathrow Harry 17th Jul 2018 19:52

Isn't the video several years old???

Pontius Navigator 17th Jul 2018 20:01


Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry (Post 10199080)
Isn't the video several years old???

yes, 2011, but the link has Paris 2017 and the title photos before the video.

etudiant 17th Jul 2018 20:50

Did not some Marine Corps pilots reduce a new airframe to scrap doing something similar? Iirc, it was a gunship version, so the bill was steeper than for a normal transport.
Guess for a pilot, it is always tempting to try something similar, but stuff happens...

Archimedes 18th Jul 2018 00:43


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10199125)
Did not some Marine Corps pilots reduce a new airframe to scrap doing something similar? Iirc, it was a gunship version, so the bill was steeper than for a normal transport.
Guess for a pilot, it is always tempting to try something similar, but stuff happens...

This one? 10 characters required....

Lonewolf_50 18th Jul 2018 00:53


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10199125)
Did not some Marine Corps pilots reduce a new airframe to scrap doing something similar? Iirc, it was a gunship version, so the bill was steeper than for a normal transport.
Guess for a pilot, it is always tempting to try something similar, but stuff happens...

Why are you blaming the Marines for an Air Force mishap?

etudiant 18th Jul 2018 12:33


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 10199243)
Why are you blaming the Marines for an Air Force mishap?

My bad. The Marines were not the guilty party, but rather the USAF.

wub 18th Jul 2018 13:27

Watch from 6:52

sandiego89 18th Jul 2018 14:53


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10199572)
Did not some Marine Corps pilots reduce a new airframe to scrap doing something similar? Iirc, it was a gunship version, so the bill was steeper than for a normal transport.
Guess for a pilot, it is always tempting to try something similar, but stuff happens...


My bad. The Marines were not the guilty party, but rather the USAF.

And a departure from controlled flight into an unplanned, inverted position and an overstress of the aircraft, is much different than a properly planned, properly executed, aerobatic maneuver within the limits of the aircraft. One is planned, the mishap was not.

Danny42C 18th Jul 2018 15:20

Saw still pics of a 707 being barrel-rolled by a Boeing test pilot donkey's years ago. As with the C-130 loop, if he kept a steady +1G all the way round, should cause no extra stress on the frame., surely? .... The Pax (if any) might not like it, much, though !

megan 18th Jul 2018 16:02

Seems to be a trend here, when will we see the likes of A400, C-17, A380 or 777. ;)


bunta130 18th Jul 2018 17:11

I'm guessing at +2.5 (limit was +3.25 ish from (dim) memory) at the bottom and initiation, with a tad over 1 at the top (although the C-130 is stressed for a smidge of negative...again -0.75 I think).

Loop is perfectly achievable within airframe limits, assuming aircraft was within Vno1 table..which it would be when empty of freight....

We used to use a bit of <1g when trying to get the cargo door locked up in preparation for wedge loads (and the UK C-130s only had a single hydraulic jack on that door).......as many will remember......and is the source of my username....

VX275 18th Jul 2018 19:24

Memories of the C-130J Project Structures meetings at Marietta came flooding back, with a chill down my spine to boot, watching that video. It was with some justification (and a great deal of respect) that the Farnborough structures expert was given the nickname Rottweiler. She didn't half keep the Lockheed chaps (most of whom spoke with Yorkshire accents) honest.

Wycombe 18th Jul 2018 19:37

By contrast, those of us at RIAT this year expecting the usual rolls and loop from the RSV (Italian Test Centre) C27J were somewhat disappointed.

Their commentator stated it wouldn't be seen any more at the start of the display on Sunday :-(

Martin the Martian 18th Jul 2018 21:35

Yes, seemingly the C-27J did not carry them out as the Italian Air Force does not perform such manoeuvres as part of its normal flying ops. Made it a very dull routine. Anyone remeber the Dutch Fokker F.27 from some years back?

And a very impressed Martian here on watching the LM-100J.

josephfeatherweight 19th Jul 2018 02:43


As with the C-130 loop, if he kept a steady +1G all the way round, should cause no extra stress on the frame.
Would love to know how to do that???

etudiant 19th Jul 2018 02:59


Originally Posted by sandiego89 (Post 10199685)
And a departure from controlled flight into an unplanned, inverted position and an overstress of the aircraft, is much different than a properly planned, properly executed, aerobatic maneuver within the limits of the aircraft. One is planned, the mishap was not.

The crew was from a test squadron and presumably was wringing out the airframe when it departed controlled flight. There was planning here as well, but perhaps some unexpected flight characteristics surfaced.

Vzlet 19th Jul 2018 12:00

Remember the Dutch Fokker F.27 from some years back?
 
by https://www.flickr.com/photos/vzlet/, on Flickr

KenV 19th Jul 2018 12:02


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 10199125)
Did not some Marine Corps pilots reduce a new airframe to scrap doing something similar? Iirc, it was a gunship version,

USMC does not operate a gunship version of the Herc. USMC does have the Harvest Hawk weapons kit which they can attach to C-130, V-22 and other airframes, and while this kit does weaponize their tanker/transports, it does not really turn them into a true gunship.

The mishap bird was a USAF bird undergoing testing for high slideslip angles. The pilot exceeded the slideslip angle and the was slow in applying corrections and then put in the the wrong correction. It was not a stunt gone awry.

DaveReidUK 19th Jul 2018 21:25


Originally Posted by wub (Post 10199620)
Watch from 6:52

There's also a neat trick at 12:14 where he lifts the nosewheel while stationary on the runway.


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